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Demigawd · 11-18-2006, 05:25 PM

Paraphrasing an old friend of mine: "Yes, Christ is real. Buddha is real. Vishnu is real. Why are you so worried?"

If so, I hope they are Super Best Friends.

Waning Moon Conrad · 11-19-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeshi

Forawhile, i fancied the idea of writing a guru yoga style tantric saddhana with visualization etc as a prayer for my mother, based on Jesus or Virgin Mary. I think it would/could be a powerful practice in our (western) millieu.

But, then, the danger of giving technology to obsessed/obscured is there. It could start new cults/sects etc. Better to keep things pure. I think HH Dalai Lama also mentioned somewhere it is not good to mix practices and deities in between different religions.

If nothing else, the correlation of Jesus to the 'jelous god' (by definition:asura) Jahve, the brother of Baal is unclear. Helping some spiritual tradition that then promulgates bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of neighbour tribes (see: Canaanites, etc), is prolly NOT good karma.

I would be very reluctant to tantrify western traditions although in grimoires such as the Sworn Book of Honorius there are litanies of the saints, invocations to the Virgin and rituals which allegedly result in the "beautific vision".

Christians won't touch it with a barge pole however, because it involves standing in a magic circle with robes on, candles, incense and ritual equipment, chanting in funny old languages and of course, as every Christian knows, this is all dreadfully satanic.

Yeshi · 11-20-2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Waning Moon Conrad

Christians won't touch it with a barge pole however, because it involves standing in a magic circle with robes on, candles, incense and ritual equipment, chanting in funny old languages and of course, as every Christian knows, this is all dreadfully satanic.

Hey, i will check the orthodox church for inscribed floor protection devices, but last i partook, all other devices were in extensive use already there

Gospode pomiluj !

aupmanyav · 11-25-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CCromwell

..salvation is attained by faith in God..

What is salvation and why is it necessary to believe in some fictitious thing for the so-called salvation?

Waning Moon Conrad, I know you are aware of what chanting in funny old Eastern languages means. In modern English also, the meaning is just as beautiful. It is known as a translation.

premjan · 11-26-2006, 12:24 AM

Christianity is not particularly semitic - that was the whole point of it (the dietary restrictions are dropped in favor of occasional vegetarianism (not including fish) as in lent or one day a week. Circumcision is not prescribed. It is sort of a reform cult like Buddhism vis-a-vis Hinduism. Then again most aspects of Christianity are present in analogous form in the Krishna cult. Just about the only unique fact in Christianity is its focus on death and resurrection. And the main feature it shares with the semitic faiths (again mainly Islam, not Judaism) is the apocalypse and judgement day. The notion of God as a judge is very semitic to me, as Hinduism prefers to think of God as either an impersonal brahman or a personal friend.

aupmanyav · 11-26-2006, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Demigawd

Paraphrasing an old friend of mine: "Yes, Christ is real. Buddha is real. Vishnu is real. Why are you so worried?"

Far from it, we are having great fun. Vishnu, I know, is not real, He is a social construct, though 'Brahman' (universal substrate) is real.

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11-18-2006, 05:25 PM	#11
Demigawd Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place Posts: 2,254	Paraphrasing an old friend of mine: "Yes, Christ is real. Buddha is real. Vishnu is real. Why are you so worried?" If so, I hope they are Super Best Friends.

11-26-2006, 12:24 AM	#15
premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	Christianity is not particularly semitic - that was the whole point of it (the dietary restrictions are dropped in favor of occasional vegetarianism (not including fish) as in lent or one day a week. Circumcision is not prescribed. It is sort of a reform cult like Buddhism vis-a-vis Hinduism. Then again most aspects of Christianity are present in analogous form in the Krishna cult. Just about the only unique fact in Christianity is its focus on death and resurrection. And the main feature it shares with the semitic faiths (again mainly Islam, not Judaism) is the apocalypse and judgement day. The notion of God as a judge is very semitic to me, as Hinduism prefers to think of God as either an impersonal brahman or a personal friend.

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