Juststeve

I suspect that among real scholars Ehrman's reputation will remain just fine, even is in Steven Carr's eyes it is trashed.

Steve

Steven Carr

Yes, all you have to do is claim that we have lots of sources dating back to just after Jesus died, and a real scholar will look at these invisible documents and admire how well they fit the Emperor.

outhouse

doesnt matter what someone without the education in a forum thinks compared to a scholar.

Pretty slick one at that. I dont follow him word for word, nor would I on any given scholar. But I wouldnt trash him either because of a difference of opinion

mountainman

Unchristian people are characterised by their reluctance to CONFESS that Jesus appeared in the flesh - their reluctance to confess that Jesus was indeed historical.

We are dealing with a belief industry, probably based on a big lie.

mountainman

And at the beginning of all this imposing research stands Hans Eusebius Anderson, in whom we trust.

aa5874

Don't believe everything you imagine!!! Already you believe what you merely speculate.

By the way, please name the 'REAL Scholars' if you can??

mountainman

The ones whom Ehrman refers to as earning a very $REAL$ income and tenure from the HJ quest industry. As an example, he excludes Earl Doherty on this basis.

Diogenes the Cynic

Correct. That would be the conception that Jesus only became the Messiah after being raised to Heaven. A primitive Christology, and more significantly, one that's out of step with the Christologies of Paul and Luke. Even if you want to say it's not a pre-Pauline Christology, it's still obviously independent of Paul.

This is a perfectly fair and valid argument here, which should not be handwaved away.

aa5874

Don't you see the folly of Ehrman??? He PRESUMES the veracity and historical accuracy of the Pauline writings without corroboration.

And, you should know that the author of Acts did NOT state that Saul/Paul wrote any letters.

Go through the Canonised Acts of the Apostles and you will see that instead of Writing letters Paul was a 'Post Man' for the Jerusalem Church. See Acts 15.

Not even the NT Canon corroborates the Pauline letters.

Steven Carr

But Ehrman has trashed the idea that a first-century Jew would ever have thought of a crucified person as being the Messiah, in much the same way that no first-century Jew would ever have thought of a crucified person as being the Roman Emperor.