sotto voce

Faulty English is so revealing.

Nothing improves, does it.

sotto voce

Arrant nonsense. Every right-thinking, decent citizen should be anti-priest. To allege that Christianity is priest-led should be a criminal offence. Here is why.

A priest is someone who offers sacrifices on behalf of all other people in a religion or society. A priesthood that is controlled by a ruling faction, ruling in matters of wealth and its creation, is in effect a means of social control on the part of the rulers, because it is the rulers who define what behaviour is permissible, and what it not. They in effect determine 'who' their local god is. All ancient religions that were connected with 'civilisation' were characterised by puppet priesthoods; and not a lot has changed.

The only notable ancient religion that did not fall into this category was that of Israel. Yes, it had a priesthood, but it was in reality in opposition to those tools of tyrants elsewhere. This was because a) it was not under the control of any civil power; and b) it presaged a divine 'priesthood' that gave complete moral autonomy to the individual, wresting all moral authority from tyrants, and in effect placing them as tyrants in danger of judgment from those with that autonomy. The Israelites were themselves intended to be a royal priesthood, i.e. people who demonstrated true moral judgment to others. This did not occur very often until the cross and resurrection of Jesus, if the NT is correct. History certainly bears out this view, because the Roman Empire and the European despotisms of the Dark and Middle Ages that succeeded it could not cope with judgment of their corruption. It set up 'bishops', backed with force majeure, to ensure that moral authority and initiative was taken back by the corrupt. Those mitred charlatans are still around, threats to democracies, and criminal elements in society still propagandise on their behalf.

In modern terms, a human priesthood outside Christianity is a fascist concept, and any opinions that support priesthood may be very legitimately be held to be in support of fascism, by intention or not. The relatively recent fascist governments of Franco, Salazar and Petain were supported by priesthoods posing as Christian, so nobody should suppose that this criminal influence has gone away.

outhouse

not really true

in ancient times we can equate religion with government, governement changes, changed religions


with christianity, you had a very corrupt jewish governement, and many different sects already against the powers that be.

plus the whole race was almost wiped off the planet with the fall of the temple.



lost forever were the Saducees, themain cause of issues. And the zealots



judaism was going to have to be rebuilt one way or the other.




its no wonder a different roman sect took off, as they worshipped judaism and that was almost wiped out.

Iskander

Every new religion is offering a new path to god and claims to represent god and to have its ear. The old religion and its priests are declared to be redundant.

Christianity has nothing to do with biblical Judaism.

aa5874

Effectively, the Jesus cult of Christians rejected Judaism.

Iskander

Christianity is not based on Jesus.

Christianity is based on the holy trinity which the god Jesus during its fulltime teaching period on earth did not even mention.

Christianity did not reject Judaism; the Greek/Roma culture used the people of Judea for their mean libel.

There is nothing in Christianly that can be traced to biblical Judaism.

outhouse

to much wrong here

first of all, polytheism predates christianity and a single god concept, but the people stil had a single religion.

Governements changed, and religions did change with new governements. it wasnt about a anti-priest movement. Much of egypt and mesopotamian religions fell under this catagory.


biblical judaism is the foundation to christianity. Your statement is absurd to say the least.

outhouse

this all falls under pseudoscience, and has no place at all in a biblical history forum.

Iskander

The non-Judaic invention of the Trinity was imposed on the population by force; the burning and torturing of countless heretics were the academic lectures of the Christian profesors in the University of the Inquisition.


Even more than 1000 years of relentless brainwashing of children and adults did not achieve the intended acceptance; the well educated Christians could not accept the digested food placed in their brain by the Mother Pope


The Canons of the Fourth Lateran Council, 1215

CANON 2
“We condemn, therefore, and reprobate the book or tract which Abbot Joachim published against Master Peter Lombard concerning the unity or essence of the Trinity, calling him heretical and insane because he said in his Sentences that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are some supreme entity in which there is no begetting, no begotten, and no proceeding.

Whence he asserts that he (Peter Lombard) attributed to God not so much a trinity as a quaternity, namely, three Persons and that common essence as a fourth”


Why not a quaternity as Abbot Joachim believed it to be in 1215? Christianity is not based on Jesus, but on the inventions of violent and rapacious priests.

MrMacSon

Christianity today is based on Jesus, but it was not originally based on a human 'form' or a trinity incorporating a human 'form'.

Christianity was originally an option for non-Jews - Gentiles - among many options in the messianic age.

A lot of Christianity was based on stories written to fulfill Septuagint/OT prophecies.