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J-D · 11-13-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

How is it possible that there was more than one Jesus in the Gospels?

There’s more than one John, more than one Judas, more than one Simon, and more than one Mary, so why shouldn’t there be more than one Jesus?

aa5874 · 11-13-2011, 08:49 PM

In order for Sinaiticus gMark to be compatible with the words of the Prophet in Isaiah 6 the Jews Must NOT know or understand that Jesus was the SAVIOR and Messiah UNTIL "the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man and the land be desolate".

In effect, gMark MUST end as it does in the Sinaiticus Codex.

The disciples of Jesus in gMark will KNOW that Jesus was the Savior and Messiah when they see the Fall of the Temple and the destruction of Jerusalem.

These events MUST happen first in gMark.

There was NO new religion under the name of Christ up to the Fall of the Temple and the destruction of Jerusalem or up to the time the author of Sinaiticus gMark wrote his story which was LIFTED from Isaiah 6.11-12.

According to the Church it was Peter who DENIED ever knowing Jesus that told gMark the FICTION story.

Examine the LAST recorded words of Peter in gMark.

Mark 14.71

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...But he began to CURSE and to SWEAR, saying, I know NOT this man of whom ye speak...

Peter, the Monstrous Liar and DENIER, PREACHED in Jerusalem and Rome that he did DENY and STATE that he KNEW NOT this man called Jesus.

If it is NOT true then the Church and its writers are the LIARS or provided False information.

The author of gMark merely wrote what PETER PREACHED.

"Against Heresies" 3.1.1

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......After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.

Peter, the Monstrous Liar, PREACHED all the SEVENTEEN ABSOLUTE FICTION in gMark.

If it is NOT true then the Church and its writers were LYING or provided False information.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

J-D · 11-14-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

So far I have Identified SEVENTEEN events in gMark that are ABSOLUTE FICTION, that is, those events as presented are FICTION whether or not Jesus did exist.

Those SEVENTEEN events have ZERO historical value.

But, it must always be remembered that it was Apostle Peter who told the author of gMark those ABSOLUTE FICTION stories according to the Church and its writers. See "Against Heresies" 3.1.1.

It is therefore MOST laughable when gMark is examined based on the Premise that it was the Apostle Peter who PREACHED about the gMark Jesus to Jews and Gentiles.

The very same Peter who VEHEMENTLY denied THREE TIMES ever knowing Jesus in gMark is the same character who told the author of gMark that Jesus WALKED on the sea, Transfigured, Cursed a tree that it died, healed incurable diseases with Spit,and Raised the dead.

The Church and its writers have IMPLICATED the Apostle Peter.

The Apostle Peter was a MONSTROUS LIAR based on the very Church and its writers since the stories are Absolute Fiction and MUST be false whether or not Jesus did exist.

Examine the LIES of Peter in gMark based on the Church.

LIE 1. Mark 6.48-49 where Jesus was WITNESSED as he walked on the sea.

LIE 2. Mark 9.2-3 where Jesus Transfigured in the presence of his disciples and was talking to the resurrected Moses and Elijah.

LIE 3. Mark 16.6 where a man in white clothes claimed Jesus was risen.

LIE 4. Mark 1.10-11 The Baptism with the Holy Ghost Bird and the TALKING heaven.

LIE 5. Mark 2.5 where a man was INSTANTLY cured of Palsy.

LIE 6. Mark 3.5 where a man's withered hand was INSTANTLY healed.

LIE 7. Mark 4.39 where Jesus VOCALLY and INSTANTLY calmed a sea-storm.

LIE 8. Mark 5.13 with Jesus, the Pigs and Demons.

LIE 9. Mark 5.41 with the raising of the dead girl.

LIE 10. Mark 6.42 with feeding of the 5 thousand men and 12 baskets of left-overs.

LIE 11. Mark 7.34 the INSTANT healing of the deaf and dumb with Spit.

LIE 12. Mark 8.9 the feeding of the 4 thousand men and 7 baskets of left overs.

LIE 13. Mark 8.25 the healing of the Blind man.

LIE 14. Mark 9.7 with the TALKING cloud at the transfiguration.

LIE15. Mark 9.25 with the INSTANT healing of the dumb and deaf epileptic.

LIE 16. Mark 10.52 with the INSTANT restoration of sight to the blind.

LIE 17. Mark 11.20 with the killing of the FIG tree by a curse.

gMark has ZERO credibility and WITHOUT corroboration for Jesus and the disciples.

The Apostle Peter PREACHED he SAW Jesus transfigured with the resurrected Moses and Elijah.

Peter was a Monstrous Liar.

The Emperor Julian recognised the Lies over 1500 years ago.

"Against the Galileans"

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It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness.

Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth....

The Emperor warns his audience and readers. The Jesus stories of the Apostle Peter have induced men to believe the Monstrous tale is the truth.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

gMark CANNOT be historically accurate as it is Found in the Extant Codices.

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aa5874 · 11-14-2011, 09:10 PM

I have IDENTIFIED 17 events with Jesus in 11 chapters of Sinaiticus gMark that are Absolute Fiction, that is, those events have ZERO historical value and are Fiction whether or NOT Jesus did exist.

Sinaiticus gMark CANNOT be an historically accurate document as it is presented.

Now, the Sinaiticus gMark appears to have been interpolated as 12 verses were added to the 16th chapter of the Alexandrinus gMark and other Codices.

Let us examine those 12 verses that were added in Alexandrinus gMark.

Mark 16.9-20

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9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Mag'dalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then, after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The additional 12 verses found in the Alexandrinus gMark are a Compilation of ABSOLUTE FICTION. They have ZERO historical value.

gMark in any version CANNOT be historically accurate and cannot be accepted as history WITHOUT any credible external non-apologetic corroboration from antiquity.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

J-D · 11-14-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I have IDENTIFIED 17 events with Jesus in 11 chapters of Sinaiticus gMark that are Absolute Fiction, that is, those events have ZERO historical value and are Fiction whether or NOT Jesus did exist.

Sinaiticus gMark CANNOT be an historically accurate document as it is presented.

Now, the Sinaiticus gMark appears to have been interpolated as 12 verses were added to the 16th chapter of the Alexandrinus gMark and other Codices.

Let us examine those 12 verses that were added in Alexandrinus gMark.

Mark 16.9-20

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9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Mag'dalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then, after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The additional 12 verses found in the Alexandrinus gMark are a Compilation of ABSOLUTE FICTION. They have ZERO historical value.

gMark in any version CANNOT be historically accurate and cannot be accepted as history WITHOUT any credible external non-apologetic corroboration from antiquity.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

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