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Old 08-13-2008, 01:20 AM   #11
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Hi Ben,

Does this scenario for Judas Iscariot include a mention of the gJudas as recently unearthed and published? And if not, when you are using the term historicity, why not? And as an aside when you wrote:
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The thirteen disciples are an artificial construct on my part...
this is not the case since c.1948 and the Nag Hammadi text "The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles" in which the common count of apostles is thirteen. Whoever the author of that Coptic tractate was, he is describing in the title of the story, a total of 13 apostles.

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Does this scenario for Judas Iscariot include a mention of the gJudas as recently unearthed and published?
No, it does not.

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And if not, when you are using the term historicity, why not?
Because I do not think the gospel of Judas is a very good source either for or against the historicity of Judas.

I am not, however, dogmatic on that.

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The thirteen disciples are an artificial construct on my part...
this is not the case since c.1948 and the Nag Hammadi text "The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles" in which the common count of apostles is thirteen. Whoever the author of that Coptic tractate was, he is describing in the title of the story, a total of 13 apostles.
That is a good point.

However, my thirteen are still an artificial construct, since they did not come from that tractate, nor does that tractate list the twelve disciples by name. It would be interesting to see, for example, whether its author would really count Peter as separate from the twelve, or whether perhaps Peter and the twelve is like Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5, where Michael Jackson is (or was) actually part of the five.

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