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Old 04-11-2004, 07:17 PM   #21
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How do you know the one life you decided to end wouldn't one day save 1000's of lives by curing cancer or preventing a war etc?

I think the best solution to your trolly conundrum would be to scream and ring the bell in order to warn the workers to move. Sound moves much faster than trollys, even runaway ones.
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Old 04-11-2004, 07:55 PM   #22
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yeah my spelling has always been horrible
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Old 04-11-2004, 08:24 PM   #23
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No. Killing in no sense can be justified.

Logically, both of these thought experiments should have similar answers. The greater good requires sacrificing one life for the five but if you poll your friends you will probably find that many more are willing to pull a switch than sneak up behind and push a man off a bridge. It is very difficult to explain why what seems right in one scenario can feel so wrong in another with similar parameters. Evolution may hold the key to unraveling this mystery.

http://www.after-hourz.net/ri/morality.html

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I don't see the difficulty.

It seems to me there's a big difference in willfully murdering a man by pushing him off a bridge, HOPING that by doing so you can save others, and an A/B choice of a runaway trolly car that is doing the killing for you.

We can equivocate and pare the scenario down to an impossible choice, and the analogy still doesn't hold. For instance, a normal person would try to find a way to save all six people by finding a way to fix the brakes, or find a rock to throw off the bridge to stop the train. However, that means that the writer will just shoehorn the story into forcing us to make an A/B decision: there are no big rocks, there are no brakes, you have only three seconds to decide, etc. But I think the answer is still the same. I'm not murdering someone by switching the tracks, the train is. Pushing someone off a bridge is murder.
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Old 04-11-2004, 08:52 PM   #24
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If God can kill so can I

YES

Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,� smash your children “to pieces� before your eyes, and rape your wife.
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Old 04-12-2004, 05:08 AM   #25
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Please remember, I didn't set the premise! If you think that an omni-max God wouldn't need to ask that, then please take it up with the person who posted the OP.
My point was more along the line that if a being who you think to be your God ask you to kill someone, it does not follow logical that you would have to do this because (as you argued) God is omnibenevolent and thus the command has to be right. The logical conclusion would be that this being is either not omnibenevolent or not omnipotent and the logical action thus would not be killing someone but rejecting this command (and probably also this being as God).

Your unquestioning willingness to actually kill a family member because of a command coming from (some) god is not only illogical, but also disgusting and morally corrupt.

P.S.: Oh I see that Vinnie has put this much shorter and better:
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"Deity" says murder they family. To me this is proof itself it is not a deity.
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