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scartuna · 06-21-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgutman

I am a new user, and an agnostic. Recently I got tangled in yet another annoying debate with a deist in regard to Noahs Ark. I have three main problems, and would like to know how one who believes the story to be true can reconcile them...
1. the ark measured 120 x 30 x 50, which is 180,000 cubic feet, how can that possibly fit the 1.875 million identified species in the world today
2. how were the animals dispersed after the flood?
3. what did the herbivores eat after the flood, and what did the predators stalk?

You have the dementions wrong. The ark was 300 cubits by 50 cubits by 30 cubits tall, Gen. 6:15. A cubit is about 18 in. It also had 3 decks Gen 6:16. So the dementions are 450x75x45 feet. Each deck was 33,750 sq. ft. for a total of 101,250 sq. ft. of floor space, and 1,518,750 cubic feet. This makes about 8.5 times more room than you thought. One other interesting note about the arks dementions. These dementions perfectly balance the relationship between ark stability and economy of materials.

Professor · 06-21-2006, 10:00 PM

dementions = demented dimensions?

A fitting term for magical measurements.

Donnmathan · 06-21-2006, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Imagine all the STD's Noah and his family must have been carrying.

I'm terribly fond of asking who on the ark had the clap....

Scartuna, one can note that the ark's dimensions are "perfect" - for a barge that will stay absolutely still in no wind on a flat calm body of water. Build it so that it can withstand the stresses of even a fairly calm REAL ocean, and you cut the internal space to a small fraction through all the added bracing and whatnot (saw a model on AiG once that did that). I have never seen one that was tested for the kind of stresses that really chaotic conditions would produce - say, a physically impossible downpour in an equally impossible globe-spanning flood?

Peez · 06-22-2006, 04:56 AM

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Voice of reason:
Yes the simple answer is GOD DID IT!! It is so logically flawed that ANYONE of more than a simpleton mind KNOWS there was no world wide flood!!

Don't expect a creationist to listen to the voice of reason.

Peez

Oolon Colluphid · 06-22-2006, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen of Swords

Moreover, the ark had only one window (Genesis 6:16). How did they manage to ventilate this thing with only one window?

What about waste disposal? The bible says that after everyone had entered, "the Lord shut him in" (Genesis 7:16). Were they then able to open doors, sluices or the single window to get rid of all the feces and urine the animals produced?

How was the ark illuminated? (A creationist on the board once answered "fireflies")

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...ns#post2492221

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it is also possible that Noah used oxen to turn fans to help force the air through out the ark.

And though I can't track down the actual quotes, it was that same poster (notorious under a number of different names on a range of boards) who pointed out that fireflies were indeed used to illuminate the Ark's interior. They had to be, otherwise the sauropods wouldn't have been able to see well enough to crap on order into buckets.

Seriously.

EarlOfLade · 06-22-2006, 08:36 AM

They didn't need food on the ark, they had delivery service from the big chef in the sky...

Sven · 06-22-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by scartuna

You have the dementions wrong. The ark was 300 cubits by 50 cubits by 30 cubits tall, Gen. 6:15. A cubit is about 18 in. It also had 3 decks Gen 6:16. So the dementions are 450x75x45 feet. Each deck was 33,750 sq. ft. for a total of 101,250 sq. ft. of floor space, and 1,518,750 cubic feet. This makes about 8.5 times more room than you thought. One other interesting note about the arks dementions. These dementions perfectly balance the relationship between ark stability and economy of materials.

I see no reason to address this. In previous threads, you answered two, maybe three times, and then fled from the threads, to be not seen again for some weeks or months - until you contribute to another thread with similar ignorant posts.

llDayo · 06-22-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Donnmathan

I'm terribly fond of asking who on the ark had the clap....

Scartuna, one can note that the ark's dimensions are "perfect" - for a barge that will stay absolutely still in no wind on a flat calm body of water. Build it so that it can withstand the stresses of even a fairly calm REAL ocean, and you cut the internal space to a small fraction through all the added bracing and whatnot (saw a model on AiG once that did that). I have never seen one that was tested for the kind of stresses that really chaotic conditions would produce - say, a physically impossible downpour in an equally impossible globe-spanning flood?

Or maybe a hurricane? We could challenge the top 8 creationists in the world to make the ark to the dimensions specified and then send them out into a category 5. If any of them survive, evolution becomes false :devil3:

Doug Shaver · 06-22-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FordPrefect

Then check out how much food 14 elephants will need for a year... 7 pairs of the clean animals and since elephants don't have a split hoof and all that jazz I would expect them to be clean.

As I recall, to be clean, they had to have a split hoof and chew cud. Animals lacking one or both characteristics were unclean.

FordPrefect · 06-22-2006, 01:41 PM

Yep, from Leviticus 11
3. `Whatever divides a hoof, thus making split hoofs, and chews the cud, among the animals, that you may eat.
7. and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.

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FordPrefect Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 47	Yep, from Leviticus 11 3. `Whatever divides a hoof, thus making split hoofs, and chews the cud, among the animals, that you may eat. 7. and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.

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