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Old 04-01-2006, 10:01 AM   #1
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Except there is no self deception, and the personal experience of God takes away all fear of death. Spiritual people do not fear death at all.

Understanding nothing, the ignorant answer all quesions.
Your answer was as ignorant and assuming as th statement you responded. Speak for yourself and don't make ridiculous claims about what you think the rest of us 'spiritual' folk do or do not fear.
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No, religious belief is not mental illness. Sports-worship is, though.
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:14 PM   #3
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You can try these two already written


The Myth of Mental Illness
The Manufacture of Madness

By Thomas Szaz
I believe you could probably consult Tom Cruise on the issue as well. He claims some expertise.
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Old 04-01-2006, 05:18 PM   #4
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Your answer was as ignorant and assuming as th statement you responded.
Just curious, why exactly do you think my statement was ignorant and assuming?

Something drives the desire to hold a belief when there is a lack of evidence... even when there is evidence contrary to the belief held.

I say that the motives to believe in Gods and an afterlife are pretty basic; the fear of death, and the desire to give our lives more meaning than perhaps they have, ( of course many simply inherit the particular beliefs of their society) now you can simply dismiss my view as "being ignorant and assuming" - but would you care to explain why it is wrong?
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That is not what I said, I said the DSM-IV says that a mental illness is something that severly interferes with a persons life mentally, now religion plays a role and interferes with how a person views the world from a logical and anylitical viewpoint and thus would be considered a mental ilness under the DSM-IV interperatation. Religion may not considered a mental illness catagory currentally, but from the phylosophical standpoint of the DSM-IV it should be. Psychology is an inperfect science, as all sciences are, things that are mental disorders, but are not recognized as mental disorders, may not currentally be recognized in the approperiate manner, severe depression was not always viewed as a mental illness, but now it is, and I believe that the same can be said about religion, it may not currentally recognized, but it is, and one day will be.
Psychiatry and psychology are not sciences at all, not in the least. You or no one else can put forth a definition of psyche backed up by scientific proof. At best they deal with behaviour only. Each person is unique in behaviour, so where is there any science.

That book is a joke. It is amended anytime some group complains. Your idea of defining religion as mental disorders is irrational. Which religion, which churches, what kind of witch hunts will "science" conduct.

Your whole theme is based on irrational hate. Unfounded, uncalled for and super biased. When are you going to shave your head?
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If that could view religious extremists as mentally ill, then it could view skeptical extremists as mentally ill also.

Now who is going to define extremists, me or you?
Why don't you do it. It is April 1 after all. While you are at it I'd love to hear what a skeptical extremist is.
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Personally, I see people who blow themselfs up in public squares, those who kill abortion doctors, or burn down clinics becouse they're "not Christian" as religious extremists, now "skeptical extremists" are not harming themselfs or others with their views, and the DSM-IV would not see this as a mental defect. Religious extremists however do harm people.
I thought you would see it just that way. The ol' double standard again.
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