Chili

Correct, and let me add that beyond the flatness of our temporal (or lower) mind are the multiple levels of heaven that we are predestined by. Our world is flat because our lower mind contains only one generation's worth of contributions whereas the heavens is where multiple levels are stacked up for us to recollect for up to One Thousand Years. In other words, that is where the Reign of God is to be found.

So indeed, there is no history in Gen.1, 2 or 3.

Huon

English is a relatively recent language. What was the first language, that was used by Gott when Er created die Sonne (feminine) and der Mond (masculine) ?

Is it really impossible to say "the heaven" (singular) in english ?
In french we have singular (ciel) and irregular plural (cieux) for "heaven".

Chili

We do not need to worry about that because God speaks English today and all we have to do is let this same God speak through an inspired translator (tm) to bring some sunshine in our life. This will be ours through Mary who is the queen of angels until we, finally if you wish, find favor with her and will be led to our highest of heaven and there crown her queen of heaven and earth.

That is how we arrive at the seventh day where evening did not follow the day and there come full circle with Rev.22:5 where we remain without the need for sunshine in our life.

Of course this may sound like nonsense to some of us but since I did not read this tread I wrote this to add a different point of view to this discussion.

Boro Nut

Never trust anyone who says ANE. It seems to be the current buzzword among apologists at the moment. Not only is it factually incorrect, it's also almost always used inappropriately to the point in question in the vast majority of instances. I spend most Saturday nights in A&E so I know what I'm talking about.

Boro Nut

Boro Nut

Well that makes sense. You couldn't sell the idea of a single heaven to anybody if they thought they might end up sitting next to the French.

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CJD

"Anachronistic" might be better. Incidentally, in the interest of promoting Law and Order, A&E ought to be used.

Boro Nut

Well as it's usually the Police who put me into Accident & Emergency in the first place, you're preaching to the converted, and as I'm usually handcuffed to one of them, I'm wouldn't be in any position to argue otherwise anyway.

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Huon

All the French who are in heaven are packed in a very small corner of one of the many heavens of Chili. So, if one asks politely, he/she will not be installed near these (nevertheless good people, since admitted in the club) Frenchmen.

Most of the French are installed downstairs, in the cave, where it is warm...

infidelguy

Thanks for the responses.. Doc Price and I are having a LIVE call-in program this Friday over at: http://www.infidelguy.com to address your criticisms live on the air. Feel free to write down your questions.

Chili, unsure what you mean by "slow down".. accepting criticisms and improving the essay is cause for you to tell me to slow down? Why don't you "calm" down. It's all about learning for me. If I am wrong about a particular position, I have no problems at all correcting myself. As should be obvious by now.

If you do a bit of research, you will discover that the issue about Heavens being plural is not much of an issue. Shamayim is always used in the plural (similar to the way we the English word "fish" looks singular, but can also be plural). Note that this could also be translated as "from the waters" (Compare to Genesis 1:6-8 - let there be a firmament in the midst of the "waters", and let it divide the waters from the waters...
waters unders the firmament and waters above the firmament... and God called the firmament "heaven". See: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvst...EB80.htm#S8064
and also: http://www.hebrewresources.com/discu...st1720001049pm

See also:
http://www.bible.gen.nz/amos/hebrew/mem/mayim.htm

Chili

Thanks for your concern but rest assured that I am as calm, cool and collected as I ever was. My suggestion for you to slow down was so you might consider the idea that the book of Genesis has nothing to do with the creation of the Universe and even less with the ancient perspective of the Universe which was new 6000 years ago when the Universe was nearly as old as it is today (give or take 6000 years).