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Mullibok · 10-17-2003, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Consistent Thinker
Samuel Roth, Jews Must Live, page 18.

Is that the plagiarist Samuel Roth? Gotta love those trustworthy plagiarists.

Overgrowngoblin · 10-17-2003, 10:05 PM

"[the American flag] is a symbol of terrorism and death and fear and destruction and oppression."
Jennie Traschen
UMass Amherst Professor

"The 'real' terrorist threats are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs."
Sandra Bernhard
Comedian & Activist

�The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.�
Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General

"How can you call a nation civilized that massacred the indigenous red Indians and brought in Africans as slaves to build it?"
Steve Erickson, Herald Tribune

What do you make of these quotes?

Regardless of context, those quotes are damning, because regardless of what is before or after these quotes, they are very direct and to the point and came from important Americans, many of whom were associated with influential American groups. (i.e., educator, entertainer, government, and media)

10-17-2003, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arken
DNFTT

Sorry, I didn't get the memo. I usually resist but CT is rather new and while he's quite controversial, I didn't think he was rated a full troll.

I should have known better than to skip the research before responding. I was PM'd and reminded of that fact. A quick Google search of those "quotes" leads me to believe that they are in fact fake.

I can't find any reputable references to any of those quotes, just other web sites that post them. Most of them are anti-semitic, none of them are historical in context. I'd ask for follow-up proof from CT but who cares.

What's even more amusing is that CT didn't even bother to change the name of the site he got them from. It would be an unimaginable coincidence if CT didn't grab the "quotes" from this page titled "Quotes about jews by jews" that appears to be from a Nazi site linked back to NSDAP an "overseas detachment of the Nazi party. If you want to make yourself sick take a look at the requirements to join under "What Is The NSDAP" and also look at the "Program"

And to CT: If you agree with even 10% of what is stated on that site then you are <no name calling, even in German.>

Arken: I shall endeavour to follow your advice and DNFTT.

Toto · 10-17-2003, 10:43 PM

The quote from Roth is probably correct. Roth was a distributor of pornography who hated his own Jewishness. His bizarre writing has been preserved by anti-Semites.

On Samual Roth

Quote:

...Gertzman powerfully links Roth's involvement in erotica to his hatred of his own Jewishness. This manifested itself in an extraordinary attack on Jewish people, Jews Must Live (1932), a work that contained chapters with titles like "Do Jews Emit a Peculiar Odor?" The book is full of caricatures, depicting "sneering, black-garbed Jewish men with long noses, beetle brows, pot bellies, bald heads, and cold sharp eyes" (p. 259). Alarmingly, Jews Must Live was used by Julius Streicher, the early fermenter of Nazi anti-Semitism in Germany. It was as if Roth was desperately seeking acceptance as an American bourgeois by rejecting his own people.. . ..

But the other quotes look extremely dubious.

lpetrich · 10-17-2003, 11:43 PM

I'm surprised that "Consistent Thinker" had not quoted from Martin Luther's The Jews and their Lies or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf or ...

As to Crystal Manx's comments, I agree that being "God's Chosen People" is nothing but conceit, but I'll give Jewish fundamentalists credit for keeping to themselves and being unwilling to convert others.

Consistent Thinker · 10-18-2003, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mullibok
Is that the plagiarist Samuel Roth? Gotta love those trustworthy plagiarists.

Yes, many jews were plagiarists.

Consistent Thinker · 10-18-2003, 12:48 AM

Overgrowngoblin, I think that the american republic has been in a wretched state for a long time.

Consistent Thinker · 10-18-2003, 12:50 AM

HeatherD, in many cases, books or periodicals were actually cited.

Overgrowngoblin · 10-18-2003, 12:51 AM

So is there any country that you are happy with?

Consistent Thinker · 10-18-2003, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lpetrich
As to Crystal Manx's comments, I agree that being "God's Chosen People" is nothing but conceit

I agree. Why are people who are so arrogant also so highly revered and defended?

10-17-2003, 10:05 PM	#12
Overgrowngoblin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Shooting dice in a crater on the Moon Posts: 501	Quotes about America (by Americans) "[the American flag] is a symbol of terrorism and death and fear and destruction and oppression." Jennie Traschen UMass Amherst Professor "The 'real' terrorist threats are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs." Sandra Bernhard Comedian & Activist �The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.� Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General "How can you call a nation civilized that massacred the indigenous red Indians and brought in Africans as slaves to build it?" Steve Erickson, Herald Tribune What do you make of these quotes? Regardless of context, those quotes are damning, because regardless of what is before or after these quotes, they are very direct and to the point and came from important Americans, many of whom were associated with influential American groups. (i.e., educator, entertainer, government, and media)

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10-17-2003, 11:43 PM	#15
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	I'm surprised that "Consistent Thinker" had not quoted from Martin Luther's The Jews and their Lies or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf or ... As to Crystal Manx's comments, I agree that being "God's Chosen People" is nothing but conceit, but I'll give Jewish fundamentalists credit for keeping to themselves and being unwilling to convert others.

10-18-2003, 12:48 AM	#17
Consistent Thinker Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 811	Overgrowngoblin, I think that the american republic has been in a wretched state for a long time.

10-18-2003, 12:50 AM	#18
Consistent Thinker Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 811	HeatherD, in many cases, books or periodicals were actually cited.

10-18-2003, 12:51 AM	#19
Overgrowngoblin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Shooting dice in a crater on the Moon Posts: 501	So is there any country that you are happy with?

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