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Chili · 06-26-2007, 09:38 PM

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Replicating itself excludes evolution.

Is this true? I believe there's always the possibility of mutation even with replication.

Right, I forgot about this mutation thingy that changes things by accident.

angelo · 06-26-2007, 11:56 PM

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We are in the 21st century, science has explained most of the laws of physics. Astronomy has taken us right back to a fraction of a second after the Big bang. We now know how the universe evolved to it's present state. And we know how life began and evolved, thanks to people like Charles Darwin.

Wow. Looks like all those scientists will be stepping down from their posts quite soon given we've answered all the questions. :Cheeky:

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What I would ask of Christians is, with all this evidence in front of you. And not a shred of evidence of any god needed to accomplish all this.
Why do you believe in God? And why?

It's possible that people choose to believe (whatever it is they believe) for reasons other than needing an explanation for the nature of things. IOW, people believe because it does something for them now, in the present, like provide context for relationships, or personal meaning or a structure for building a life. Or for ethics/morality reasons. Or for aesthetic reasons -- that is, a universe with a god being seems more interesting, or aesthetically pleasing, to them than does one without. Or because they believe despite science answering the "how" questions, a god concept still might answer the "why" questions -- or rather the questions of utlimate concern, as the theologian Paul Tillich would have said. Or something like that. There could be lots of reasons.

You need a god for people to be moral? So far most of the answers are using a ''god of the gaps'' solution to what science has yet to discover. Science is an on-going evidence based profession, never ending. There's always something new to discover in this infinite universe.

cognac · 06-27-2007, 06:04 AM

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You need a god for people to be moral? So far most of the answers are using a ''god of the gaps'' solution to what science has yet to discover. Science is an on-going evidence based profession, never ending. There's always something new to discover in this infinite universe.

As I said in my post, people have all kinds of reasons for belief, whatever it is they believe. What you can't assume is that people choose beliefs necessarily because they are attempting to explain something. That was the point of my post in response to your initial question.

decalog10 · 06-28-2007, 10:59 PM

What was there prior to the Big Bang? It does not contradict our current scientific knowledge to "assume" a Creator before the Big Bang, nor does evolution contradict belief in God.
As for physical evidence for the existence of God there isnt any.

Samhain · 06-29-2007, 04:37 AM

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What was there prior to the Big Bang? It does not contradict our current scientific knowledge to "assume" a Creator before the Big Bang, nor does evolution contradict belief in God.
As for physical evidence for the existence of God there isnt any.

Only a deistic god. That Christian god has that silly little thing called the Bible that contradicts science.

decalog10 · 06-29-2007, 11:18 PM

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What was there prior to the Big Bang? It does not contradict our current scientific knowledge to "assume" a Creator before the Big Bang, nor does evolution contradict belief in God.
As for physical evidence for the existence of God there isnt any.

Only a deistic god. That Christian god has that silly little thing called the Bible that contradicts science.

The Biblical God contradicts science ONLY if scripture is read in literalist interpretation.

Samhain · 06-30-2007, 04:41 AM

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Only a deistic god. That Christian god has that silly little thing called the Bible that contradicts science.

The Biblical God contradicts science ONLY if scripture is read in literalist interpretation.

Or if you believe in the omnimax god that the Bible implies.

decalog10 · 06-30-2007, 07:36 AM

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We are in the 21st century, science has explained most of the laws of physics. Astronomy has taken us right back to a fraction of a second after the Big bang. We now know how the universe evolved to it's present state. And we know how life began and evolved, thanks to people like Charles Darwin. What I would ask of Christians is, with all this evidence in front of you. And not a shred of evidence of any god needed to accomplish all this.
Why do you believe in God? And why?

So as I Christian I accept the discoveries of science in the 21st century but that in no way undermines my faith. Its not a question of God or Scientific findings. I can believe in the God of the Bible as Creator, Sustainer and Goal of the universe and also marvel at nature, the Big Bang and Evolution.
Religion provides my life with a meaning that science is incapable of...a meaning of course, that is questionable to the Infidels, but a meaning that I take on trust as real.

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