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BWE · 09-26-2007, 01:40 PM

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"But how do we know the numbers 2 and 14 really disagree? We need to examine each number separately, in detail. Someone please start a new thread for the number 2, and another for the number 14. Present everything you know about those numbers, including hi-res photographs. People here have been parroting back what they read on some Christian-bashing site about 'numbers', but so far no one has convinced me they know what 'numbers' really mean.

The number 2 would mean 1 less than 3. Nothing less than such an explanation can be sufficient to espouse the virtues of the oft maligned number 2.

2 is the number of times that BWE asks politely for clarification. And two is the number of people who can be legally married to each other at a given time in the USA. 2 is the maximum recommended dose in most circumstances...

And 2 stands for my polite insistence that AFDave either retract or support his contention that Yamaguchi's research in any way changes a master chronology built from Bristlecone pines.

VoxRat · 09-26-2007, 03:05 PM

I have seen no convincing evidence that 2 is a number at all.

BWE · 09-26-2007, 03:08 PM

What constitutes evidence to you? The bible has a whole book on numbers!

Cege · 09-26-2007, 03:28 PM

Numbers can be found, beginning on page 202, in my Bible.

Can anyone explain the consilience of the two number 2's in the location of Numbers in my Bible (NIV) and the Number 2 in the title and OP of this thread?

notta_skeptic · 09-26-2007, 03:47 PM

You number two people are heretics!! Everyone knows the sacred number is THREE!

BROTHER: "And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the
Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three
shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting
shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two,
excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once
the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou
thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty
in my sight, shall snuff it.'"

Occam's Aftershave · 09-26-2007, 03:52 PM

But two is mentioned in the scripture! It's a holy number! Or maybe a whole number, I dunno....

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BWE · 09-26-2007, 04:03 PM

2 (two) is a number, numeral, and glyph. It is the natural number following 1 and preceding 3.

Holy shit, read the wiki page (how do you do the cool wiki link again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_(number)

2 is pretty darn special

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Two is the smallest and the first prime number, and the only even one (for this reason it is sometimes humorously called "the oddest prime"). The next prime is three. 2 is the first Sophie Germain prime, the first factorial prime, the first Lucas prime, and the first Smarandache-Wellin prime. It is an Eisenstein prime with no imaginary part and real part of the form 3n − 1. It is also a Stern prime, a Pell number, and a Markov number, appearing in infinitely many solutions to the Markov Diophantine equation involving odd-indexed Pell numbers.

It is the third Fibonacci number, and the third and fifth Perrin numbers.

Despite being a prime, two is also a highly composite number, because it has more divisors than the number one. The next highly composite number is four.

BWE · 09-26-2007, 04:05 PM

we're definitely gonna need a new thread for 14:

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Fourteen is a composite number, its proper divisors being 1, 2, 7 and 14.

14 is the 3rd discrete biprime ( 2 . 7 )and the 3rd member of the (2.q) discrete biprime family. The number following 14;15 ,is itself a discrete biprime and this is the first such pair of discrete biprimes The next example is the pair commencing 21

The aliquot sum σ(n) of 14 is 10, also a discrete biprime and this is again the first example of a discrete biprime having an aliquot sum in the same form. 14 has an aliquot sequence of 6 members ( 14,10,8,7,1,0) 14 is the 3rd composite number in the 7-aliquot tree.

It is the base of the tetradecimal notation.

In base fifteen and higher bases (such as hexadecimal), fourteen is represented as E.

Fourteen is the sum of the first three squares, which makes it a square pyramidal number.

This number is the lowest even n for which the equation φ(x) = n has no solution, making it the first even nontotient (see Euler's totient function).

14 is a Catalan number, the only semiprime among all Catalan numbers.

Take a set of real numbers and apply the closure and complement operations to it in any possible sequence. At most 14 distinct sets can be generated in this way. This holds even if the reals are replaced by a more general topological space. See Kuratowski's closure-complement problem.

Fourteen is a Keith number in base 10: 1, 4, 5, 9, 14, 23, 37, 60, 97, 157...

Fourteen is an open meandric number.

Fourteen is a Companion Pell number.

There are fourteen possible Bravais lattices that fill three-dimensional space.

The cuboctahedron, the truncated cube, and the truncated octahedron each have fourteen faces. The rhombic dodecahedron, which tessellates 3-dimensional space and is the dual of the cuboctahedron, has fourteen vertices. The truncated octahedron, which also tessellates 3-dimensional space, is the only permutohedron.

Occam's Aftershave · 09-26-2007, 04:13 PM

I am still waiting for the high resolution pictures.

Why should I be convinced by your so called 'evidence' when you can't provide the high resolution pictures?

More like evo dance if you ask me. :devil:

Toto · 09-26-2007, 04:19 PM

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09-26-2007, 03:05 PM	#2
VoxRat Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,768	I have seen no convincing evidence that 2 is a number at all.

09-26-2007, 03:08 PM	#3
BWE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 624	What constitutes evidence to you? The bible has a whole book on numbers!

09-26-2007, 03:28 PM	#4
Cege Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 36078 Posts: 849	Numbers can be found, beginning on page 202, in my Bible. Can anyone explain the consilience of the two number 2's in the location of Numbers in my Bible (NIV) and the Number 2 in the title and OP of this thread?

09-26-2007, 03:47 PM	#5
notta_skeptic Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bethesda, Maryland Posts: 215	You number two people are heretics!! Everyone knows the sacred number is THREE! BROTHER: "And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'"

09-26-2007, 04:13 PM	#9
Occam's Aftershave Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,215	I am still waiting for the high resolution pictures. Why should I be convinced by your so called 'evidence' when you can't provide the high resolution pictures? More like evo dance if you ask me. :devil:

09-26-2007, 04:19 PM	#10
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549

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