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Cross_ · 10-24-2005, 06:52 PM

In an online debate I participated in, a fundamentalist made a pretty convincing case that the commandment should be "Thou shalt not murder" as opposed to the popular "Thou shalt not kill". What's your take and where can I find more information ?
My apologies if this subject has been dealt with to death already. :wave:

pharoah · 10-24-2005, 07:28 PM

I would say that a more accurate formulation of the command would be "Thou shall not kill a fellow Israelite unless they break one of my death penalty commandments, insult my prophets, or touch my Ark, and thou shall not kill a foreigner unless I command you to seize their land".

Chris Weimer · 10-24-2005, 07:37 PM

Most likely, all apologies aside, its meant as murder, not the general vague description of kill. Although if I recall, this was debated even in antiquity (vegetarian Essenes, anyone?).

Amaleq13 · 10-24-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cross_

My apologies if this subject has been dealt with to death already.

Only two show up when searching titles for "murder" and "kill":

Murder or Kill

'Murder' vs. 'Kill'

Magus55 · 10-24-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cross_

In an online debate I participated in, a fundamentalist made a pretty convincing case that the commandment should be "Thou shalt not murder" as opposed to the popular "Thou shalt not kill". What's your take and where can I find more information ?
My apologies if this subject has been dealt with to death already. :wave:

Short and sweet: The original Hebrew uses the word for murder, not generic killing.

Thomas II · 10-24-2005, 11:18 PM

Question: In what case would "not to kill" be the wrong action, the "sinful" action?

Cross_ · 10-26-2005, 06:21 PM

Thank y'all !

mickw · 10-26-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pharoah

I would say that a more accurate formulation of the command would be "Thou shall not kill a fellow Israelite unless they break one of my death penalty commandments, insult my prophets, or touch my Ark, and thou shall not kill a foreigner unless I command you to seize their land".

Zzzzing!

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Cross_ Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 1,786	To kill or not to kill In an online debate I participated in, a fundamentalist made a pretty convincing case that the commandment should be "Thou shalt not murder" as opposed to the popular "Thou shalt not kill". What's your take and where can I find more information ? My apologies if this subject has been dealt with to death already. :wave:

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10-24-2005, 07:28 PM	#2
pharoah Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,729	I would say that a more accurate formulation of the command would be "Thou shall not kill a fellow Israelite unless they break one of my death penalty commandments, insult my prophets, or touch my Ark, and thou shall not kill a foreigner unless I command you to seize their land".

10-24-2005, 07:37 PM	#3
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Most likely, all apologies aside, its meant as murder, not the general vague description of kill. Although if I recall, this was debated even in antiquity (vegetarian Essenes, anyone?).

10-24-2005, 11:18 PM	#6
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	Question: In what case would "not to kill" be the wrong action, the "sinful" action?

10-26-2005, 06:21 PM	#7
Cross_ Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 1,786	Thank y'all !

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