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CX · 06-16-2004, 02:19 PM

I think this is really an E/C thread more than a BC&H thread.

Crucifiction · 06-16-2004, 03:10 PM

the plants would have only been without light for 1 day. They wouldn't shrivel up and die that fast.

Most, but not ALL. There are some species of plants that require light nearly twenty four hours a day to survive. How would they have survived?

When light is shining on half of the Earth, that half is illuminated - we call this day or morning. On the other half of the Earth, where there is no light, its dark and we call this night or evening. God is the source of light until He creates the sun. All you need to have a day and night is light shining on different hemispheres of the Earth at different times.

But, you see; one side being dark and the other one being lightened up would only come if the Earth was orbiting the sun.

dado · 06-16-2004, 04:54 PM

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Question 4: How do you get day & night, and evening & morning on the first two days without the moon, sun and stars which were not created till the third day?

that is a bit of a problem because the very people who wrote the text define sundown as starting the moment 3 stars are visible in the sky - and the text specifically talks about sundown. fortunately, we're all educated folk who realize this is poetry and won't be reading it too literally.

Madkins007 · 06-16-2004, 10:33 PM

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well he got you: since when is Genesis part of the new testament?

Not sure why my fingers typed New Testament when I was trying to type Old Testament. I have long thought my fingers were possesed since they made so many typos that *I* OBVIOUSLY could not have typed. Now I am sure of it!

Thanks, and *OOPS!*

Madkins007 · 06-16-2004, 10:36 PM

By the way, Naked, those I hang with generally believe that the first few chapters of Genesis are poetic introductions to the story of the Hebrews and are probably several independent stories woven together. We do not feel a burning need to make it literal.

Jet Black · 06-16-2004, 10:42 PM

liquid water has a temperature above absolute zero, hence it would have a black body spectrum, and so there would have been light before God said so.

camp freddie · 06-17-2004, 01:07 AM

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Then in the 1970’s, micro-fossils of algae were found in chert rocks, which is a form of silicon dioxide, dating even now at 3.6 billion years old.

Life did NOT take billions of years. It exploded onto the scene following water. This still baffles scientists even to this day.

Science is still catching up, but we’ll get it.

Well, considering that scientists have always said that life (as we know it) needs water, it's hardly baffling to consider that the fist life arose a few hundred million years after water first formed on Earth.

And forming over a few hundred million years is hardly an explosion is it?

The simple fact that genesis puts whales before land mammals shows that it is wrong, there's just no way you can fudge that into a 'day=many millions of years' version of genesis.

Sven · 06-17-2004, 01:52 AM

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Scientific analysis concludes that water formed on the Earth just under approx. 4 billion years ago, just shortly after the earth is estimated to have formed (approx. 4.5 billion years). This is about the same time our sun had just become a Protostar, which is estimated at 5 billion years old.
For a long time scientists felt that because of this data (when water formed), it must have taken billions of years for life to evolve, in which random changes in rocks and water resulted in living organisms (various theories).
Then in the 1970’s, micro-fossils of algae were found in chert rocks, which is a form of silicon dioxide, dating even now at 3.6 billion years old.
Life did NOT take billions of years. It exploded onto the scene following water. This still baffles scientists even to this day.
Science is still catching up, but we’ll get it.

Umm, sorry, I was neither talking about life in general, nor about algae, but about trees. And to add a point, this verse also mentions grass: "11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass". But grass developped not until the Eocene (54-34 million years ago). Genesis has it before the sun. I see no possibility to reconcile this.

Sven · 06-17-2004, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Crucifiction

There are some species of plants that require light nearly twenty four hours a day to survive.

Where do they live to get so much sunlight? In the polar regions?

Oolon Colluphid · 06-17-2004, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Black

liquid water has a temperature above absolute zero, hence it would have a black body spectrum, and so there would have been light before God said so.

"How stupid of me not to have thought of that!"

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06-16-2004, 02:19 PM	#11
CX Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portlandish Posts: 2,829	I think this is really an E/C thread more than a BC&H thread.

06-16-2004, 03:10 PM	#12
Crucifiction Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The deformation age Posts: 1,809	the plants would have only been without light for 1 day. They wouldn't shrivel up and die that fast. Most, but not ALL. There are some species of plants that require light nearly twenty four hours a day to survive. How would they have survived? When light is shining on half of the Earth, that half is illuminated - we call this day or morning. On the other half of the Earth, where there is no light, its dark and we call this night or evening. God is the source of light until He creates the sun. All you need to have a day and night is light shining on different hemispheres of the Earth at different times. But, you see; one side being dark and the other one being lightened up would only come if the Earth was orbiting the sun.

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Madkins007 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 591	By the way, Naked, those I hang with generally believe that the first few chapters of Genesis are poetic introductions to the story of the Hebrews and are probably several independent stories woven together. We do not feel a burning need to make it literal.

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Jet Black Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: (GSV) Lasting Damage Posts: 10,734	liquid water has a temperature above absolute zero, hence it would have a black body spectrum, and so there would have been light before God said so.

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