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Old 11-03-2011, 08:59 AM   #211
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What's for supper grandpaw? What shall we eat?
Mystical 'meat', and magically transmogrified 'flesh' for 'bread' and 'blood' for 'wine' ! Hoo'wee! Boy Howdy! Yumm Yumm!

Welcome to the Feast of The Living Dead Zombie Jebus!
While you gnaw on his dead flesh and drink his decaying blood, he will feast on your braaaains!
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Hi AA5874,

If one were going to baptize with the Holy Ghost instead of water, how exactly would one go about it?
Please ANSWER your OWN questions.

I only KNOW what is WRITTEN in gMark.

I don't INVENT my OWN history or story of Jesus and the disciples.

I can ONLY SAY EXACTLY what is WRITTEN.

In gMark, some Mighty-One was supposed to Baptize with a Holy Ghost and NOT with Water.

It seems the author FORGOT his storyline.

The Mighty-One did NOT Baptize any one with the Ghost in gMark instead he WALKED on WATER like a Ghost.

gMark'S Mighty-One was an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM.
Hi AA5974,

How did Jesus eat with publicans and sinners according to the gospel of Mark is he was a Ghost?

What does an absolute phantom eat? :huh: You tell me.
Please ANSWER your own questions.

Romulus and Remus did EAT food in "Plutarch's "Romulus". Both Romulus and Remus were described as HUMAN BROTHERS born of the SAME WOMAN but are all considered MYTHS.

ALL I KNOW Romulus and Remus ATE food in Plutarch's "Romulus". [

I don't have to Explain how Romulus and Remus ATE food.

ALL I KNOW in gMark the disciples SAW Jesus as he WALKED on the sea.


Mark 6.48-49
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.....about the fourth watch of the night, he cometh unto them walking on the sea, and would have passed by them.

But when they SAW him walking upon the sea they supposed it was a SPIRIT and cried out.
Human Beings do NOT have the Specific Gravity to allow them to WALK on sea water.

gMark's Jesus was an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM as described.

That is ALL I KNOW.
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What's for supper grandpaw? What shall we eat?
Mystical 'meat', and magically transmogrified 'flesh' for 'bread' and 'blood' for 'wine' ! Hoo'wee! Boy Howdy! Yumm Yumm!

Welcome to the Feast of The Living Dead Zombie Jebus!
While you gnaw on his dead flesh and drink his decaying blood, he will feast on your braaaains!
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The characters called John the Baptist and Jesus were executed in gMark.

The character called John the Baptist was executed in gMark 6.

The character called Jesus was executed in gMark 15.

Amazingly both John the Baptist and Jesus made FALSE claims or were False Prophets.



In gMark 1, John claimed Jesus would BAPTIZE with the Holy Ghost but up to the death of Jesus no such thing was done.

Mark 1:8 -
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I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
John the Baptist was a FALSE Prophet in gMark.

In gMark 9, Jesus TAUGHT his disciples that he would Resurrect on the THIRD day--such a thing could NOT have happened.


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For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Jesus was a False Prophet in gMark.

The author of gMark wrote a story and both MAIN characters were FALSE Prophets within 3 days of the death of the character called Jesus.

What is the GOOD NEWS in gMark?

In gMark:

1. John the Baptist was a False Prophet.

2. Jesus was a False Prophet.

3. Judas BETRAYED Jesus.

4. The disciples ABANDONED Jesus.

5. Peter DENIED knowing Jesus.

6. The Jews REJECTED Jesus and had him Crucified.

7. The Vistors to the Empty Tomb told NO-ONE Jesus resurrected.


gMark is NOT Good News.

gMark's Jesus could NOT have resurrected.

It would have been a LIE if the visitors to the Empty Tomb told people that Jesus was resurrected.

gMark is a MYTH Fable, a Fiction story, of an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM and TWO FALSE PROPHETS.
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What's for supper grandpaw? What shall we eat?
Mystical 'meat', and magically transmogrified 'flesh' for 'bread' and 'blood' for 'wine' ! Hoo'wee! Boy Howdy! Yumm Yumm!

Welcome to the Feast of The Living Dead Zombie Jebus!
While you gnaw on his dead flesh and drink his decaying blood, he will feast on your braaaains!
I read somewhere a description of Jesus the undead. I will post the source as soon as I find it, but the jist is as follows.

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In the ghoulish John chapter 6, Jesus eruditely said that if you do not eat his flesh and if you do not drink his blood, you will not have the life in you. Those whom are nourished of the flesh and which drink the blood have the eternal life, and Jesus will resuscitate them. "My flesh is really a food and my blood is really a beverage. That which eats my flesh and drinks my blood becomes as me…."

That sounds like a Vampire! And it should be noted that Vampire tales were well known in the Roman Empire in that era. In the tale of Flavius Philostratus: The Life of Apollonius, Menippus is engaged to a vampire before Apollonius of Tyre exposes the deception.

Let us consider the passion of Christ from a different frame of reference, that of the priests and High priest. A difficult and troublesome person is apt to return from the dead, as are alcoholics.

Jesus was a troublesome fellow, a sorcerer possessed by a demon, who was expected to rise from the grave and no doubt planned to perpetrate untold mischief. [Accompanied of course by a horde of Zombies. jj4] Jesus' return, from this vantage point would be seen as demonic and unnatural. The passion and crucifixion of Christ is an attempt to prevent a revenant from embarking on post mortem excursions from the tomb.

It is always necessary to "kill" the corpse in the right way to be rid of the revenant. ... The "body" is killed in various ways… often with an audible groan from the subject [Mark 15:37].

In a similar manner to the practice with other revenants even before Jesus (Petronius, Satyrica), he was crucified by the Romans with the lance by the heart, which is why for ages they are said to fear the cross.

The head and the feet of the corpse was also be bound with thorns, so that the corpse would catch in the material of the shroud, thus be prevented from leaving the grave. Here we have finally the true reason for the crown of thorns [Mark 15:17].

Various granular substances are put into graves or tombs, or along the path in order to hinder the revenant; sand, mustard seeds. The obolus of ancient Greece was put into the mouth of the corpse, not to ostensibly pay Charon, but a charm to prevent the soul or a demon from entering the body.
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Much of the imagery in the NT is culled from humanities ancient superstitions about death, and the lingering 'spirits' of the dead, and that fearfulness, or an unwillingness to fully accept that the dead, once dead, are permanently dead and gone.

For the most vicious and evil that die, suffer execution, or those that undergo a particularly gruesome and violent death, there is a always a lingering fear that they will find some way to return, and wreck vengeance. Thus various means were devised in almost every culture to prevent their bodies or 'spirits' from returning from the grave. (think 'Dracula', 'Freddy', 'Jason' and all the various 'walking dead' either out for revenge or looking for living flesh, blood, and braaains)

On the other hand, for the 'dearly departed' such as a cherished son, daughter, or love mate, there was (and is) a strong desire to not accept that their death was really the final end of them, and of a treasured relationship.
So there arose a strongly endorsed conviction among the bereaved that their loved ones were simply 'asleep', and for many, no expense was (is) spared to foster that impression.
The bodies dressed up in fine clothing, and make-up added to restore or maintain the illusion of a still living, but simply sleeping person. The ancient burials were often accompanied by 'grave goods' either to accompany and comfort the departed, or to supply for their future 'needs'.
Christianity is nothing more than a highly evolved, yet innately ridiculous (but also sadly pathetic) death-cult.
One which has long and often brought out the very worst in human behavior, (via its doctrinal battles, hatreds, schisms, and resulting carnage and wars) as well as the most sincere, heartfelt, and honest in our human longings.
Being huaman, we wrestle with the monster of our own making, one composed out of our hopes, dreams, desires, and passions.
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It has long been the case that many people have recognized that there is no God and no Holy Spirit. Obviously if there's no Holy Spirit there can be no baptism with the Holy Spirit. That's not a new discovery.
It has long been the case that many people absolutely refuse to recognize that there is no God and no Holy Spirit.
Many of these would rather endure torture and death than to ever allow that their God and the Holy Spirit are not real;
They have to sincerely believe, for the sake of their loved ones, as well as themselves.
And they will fight with everything they have, to maintain, and to continue that delusion.
That should not be a new discovery.
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..To me, this discussion about whether or not sins can be remitted, is a digression from the OP. I believe it is much more important for this forum, to discuss aa5874's impressive discovery of this contradiction re baptism.....
Well, you have EXPOSED the role of J-D. But, J-D is just wasting time. It is ALL over.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer. gMark's Jesus was OBSOLETE from the very beginning.

Now, in gMark from the very start, the author claimed John the Baptist BAPTISED for the Remission of Sins so whether or not Gods exist and whether or not there is Sin or Remission of Sin is irrelevant.

The term Remission of Sins are not my INVENTION but actually found in gMark.

gMark is a story of John who Baptized for the Remission of Sins with Water and was to be REPLACED by the Mighty-One who would Baptize with the Holy Ghost.

Mark 1:4 -
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John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
It is most fascinating that the author claimed ALL of Judea and Jerusalem were Baptized by John CONFESSING their Sins.

Mark 1.5
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5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins...
So WITHOUT the Predicted Mighty-One the people of Judea and Jerusalem had a means of SALVATION without SACRIFICE by Baptism of Water.

Mark 1.
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....There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
However, when the Mighty-One came and AFTER the Holy Ghost Bird descended upon him we hear NOTHING about the the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

gMark is a Fiction story, a Myth Fable, that went Horribly wrong. The author completely FORGOT his storyline.

After John the Baptist was executed the Mighty-One Baptized NO-ONE with the Holy Ghost in gMark.

gMark's Jesus, the Mighty-One was OBSOLETE before and AFTER John the Baptist even in gMark

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

gMark is PURE FICTION.
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Hi AA5874,

If one were going to baptize with the Holy Ghost instead of water, how exactly would one go about it?
Please ANSWER your OWN questions.

I only KNOW what is WRITTEN in gMark.

I don't INVENT my OWN history or story of Jesus and the disciples.

I can ONLY SAY EXACTLY what is WRITTEN.

In gMark, some Mighty-One was supposed to Baptize with a Holy Ghost and NOT with Water.

It seems the author FORGOT his storyline.

The Mighty-One did NOT Baptize any one with the Ghost in gMark instead he WALKED on WATER like a Ghost.

gMark'S Mighty-One was an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM.
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Hi AA5874,

If one were going to baptize with the Holy Ghost instead of water, how exactly would one go about it?
Please ANSWER your OWN questions.

I only KNOW what is WRITTEN in gMark.

I don't INVENT my OWN history or story of Jesus and the disciples.

I can ONLY SAY EXACTLY what is WRITTEN.

In gMark, some Mighty-One was supposed to Baptize with a Holy Ghost and NOT with Water.

It seems the author FORGOT his storyline.

The Mighty-One did NOT Baptize any one with the Ghost in gMark instead he WALKED on WATER like a Ghost.

gMark'S Mighty-One was an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM.
Hi AA5974,

How did Jesus eat with publicans and sinners according to the gospel of Mark is he was a Ghost?

What does an absolute phantom eat? :huh: You tell me.
Please ANSWER your own questions.

Romulus and Remus did EAT food in "Plutarch's "Romulus". Both Romulus and Remus were described as HUMAN BROTHERS born of the SAME WOMAN but are all considered MYTHS.

ALL I KNOW Romulus and Remus ATE food in Plutarch's "Romulus". [

I don't have to Explain how Romulus and Remus ATE food.

ALL I KNOW in gMark the disciples SAW Jesus as he WALKED on the sea.


Mark 6.48-49
Quote:
.....about the fourth watch of the night, he cometh unto them walking on the sea, and would have passed by them.

But when they SAW him walking upon the sea they supposed it was a SPIRIT and cried out.
Human Beings do NOT have the Specific Gravity to allow them to WALK on sea water.

gMark's Jesus was an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM as described.

That is ALL I KNOW.
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The characters called John the Baptist and Jesus were executed in gMark.

The character called John the Baptist was executed in gMark 6.

The character called Jesus was executed in gMark 15.

Amazingly both John the Baptist and Jesus made FALSE claims or were False Prophets.



In gMark 1, John claimed Jesus would BAPTIZE with the Holy Ghost but up to the death of Jesus no such thing was done.

Mark 1:8 -
Quote:
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
John the Baptist was a FALSE Prophet in gMark.

In gMark 9, Jesus TAUGHT his disciples that he would Resurrect on the THIRD day--such a thing could NOT have happened.


Mark 9:31 -
Quote:
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Jesus was a False Prophet in gMark.

The author of gMark wrote a story and both MAIN characters were FALSE Prophets within 3 days of the death of the character called Jesus.

What is the GOOD NEWS in gMark?

In gMark:

1. John the Baptist was a False Prophet.

2. Jesus was a False Prophet.

3. Judas BETRAYED Jesus.

4. The disciples ABANDONED Jesus.

5. Peter DENIED knowing Jesus.

6. The Jews REJECTED Jesus and had him Crucified.

7. The Vistors to the Empty Tomb told NO-ONE Jesus resurrected.


gMark is NOT Good News.

gMark's Jesus could NOT have resurrected.

It would have been a LIE if the visitors to the Empty Tomb told people that Jesus was resurrected.

gMark is a MYTH Fable, a Fiction story, of an OBSOLETE ABSOLUTE PHANTOM and TWO FALSE PROPHETS.
Now you're just repeating yourself. You've said all this before. It wasn't enough to make out your case before and it isn't now. Repetition adds no weight. You can protract the thread with repetition as much as you like, but it's a pure waste of time and space, contributing nothing of value to the discussion.
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It is aa5874's soapbox thread, so we'll cut him a little slack in this case. If there is nothing but repetition, the thread will be closed.
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