Roland

Well, that's great news for the Roman Catholics. But what about the poor evangelical Christians on here who believe Maryology to be unbiblical and probably a product of Satan?

:huh:

Where are the regenerated limbs? And why don't Christians who claim to believe in miracles ever pray for them? Quick answer: because deep down inside they know no amputee is ever going to regrow a limb and, hence, praying for such would make both them and their god look impotent and foolish.

dr lazer blast

How do we know that socrates existed? his life was recorded by like 3 or 4 people. In fact, one person out of the group was a play writer that had socrates as a fictional character written in his satirical play which suggests that socrates was just a fictional character, someone a play writer made up.

dr lazer blast

Regardless of whether or not its catholics, it is still a miracle. It doesn't matter whether or not it is maryology or not. Its still a miracle, as well as the other link I posted.

Roland

Flagg -

That seems a very complicated way of avoiding just stating the obvious, which is that the observable universe follows some pretty clearly delineated laws and that when we read in ancient texts of such laws being broken, the prudent thing is not to assume such events actually occurred but that they are a product of imagination and fiction, where it is not ony easy to break such laws but commonplace as well. The key thing, I think, is to get the apologist to explain why he arbitrarily accepts his set of miracles as being historical and real but not the myriad similar ones found in other writings.

dr lazer blast

Regenerated limbs? first you ask for miracles and 2 are provided for you, then you basically ignore the evidence presented to you and ask for a new miracle and on top of that you then create your own answer to your question.

That is incorrect, I pray for miracles and I get them (not all of them) as do a lot of other people.

Roland

Of course it matters. It means the Catholics are right and the Protestants wrong (not to mention the Jews, Muslims and all other religions who do not accept either transubstantiation or Maryology as valid beliefs). This is pretty earth-shattering news actually.

Roland

Sorry, by "them," I meant regenerated limbs not miracles in general.

Roland

Since we seem to be getting a bit off the topic of this thread, I think I'll open a new one on the topic of miracles specifically, starting with the first two examples you've provided here.

Toto

This is completely incorrect. There are sober an honest people who have reported miracles, ghosts, fairies, UFO's, and other nonexistant phenomenon. There are no critical, skeptical observers who have reported miracles.

Every time a skeptic investigates an alleged miracle, it turns out to be something other than a miracle - often a mistake, confusion, or pious fraud.

Honest self deception is always a problem in science, so scientists have developed procedures to rule this out in normal testing - double blind studies, etc. In addition, there are groups of professional skeptics who specialize in debunking claims of supernatural events.

The Amazing Randi issued his million dollar challenge to any anyone who could prove a supernatural event. Many people have tried to claim the prize, but they are unable to get past a screening committee that looks for obvious mistakes. The real fraudsters do not bother applying.

All educated people agree on this. The evidence is overwhelming. If you are going to claim that miracles happen, based on third hand accounts from missionaries in third world countries, we really have no basis for discussion.

If you really want to claim that miracles happen in violation of the laws of nature (not just psychosomatic healing), please spend the time to learn about basic scientific investigations and skepticism, so you know what you are up against.

The best that educated Christians can do is claim that the Resurrection was a unique miraculous event that God performed once in history.

Deus Ex

Who cares. I am agnostic about him, too.:Cheeky:

I have never been asked to worship Socrates as God, either.