ughaibu

Clivedurdle: Have you read Heath's 'Works and Method of Archimedes'?

Clivedurdle

And it seems it was not only calculus but probability! The Stomachion - tummy ache - with calculus seem to be approaching a theory of everything with no need for external and first causes - Archimedes seems to have brought together maths and the physical world in a way that dumps religious illogicalities. And what is amusing is that it is so heretical no one realised!

He was playing with actual infinities almost 2500 years before Cantor!

In Archimedes' Puzzle, a New Eureka Moment

Clivedurdle

It is out of Date!

The Stomachion is from Proposition 14 - it has not been understood before the Archimedes Codex became available - and that is still being worked on - it contains previously unknown works of Hyperides as well.

Just googling Archimedes the comments on Archimedes are generally out of date - much like textbooks at the transfer to Wegener.

That is quite a claim and it is a true claim.

http://www.archimedespalimpsest.org/index.html

ughaibu

Proposition 14 of which book?

Clivedurdle

Archimedes proposition 14!

Clivedurdle

More of a question for BCH, what proportion of ancient documents have been studied to this depth - I understand huge chunks of arab translations have not been translated into English, what might be available under volcanic ash or in a prayer book somewhere?

What does this say about the reliability of the conclusions we have come to, when Archimedes for example has been badly misinterpreted and under estimated.

Philosopher Jay's comments about people being baptised or annointed or christed are very interesting on this point. Jesus Christ then beomes a special sort of annointing - a saving annointing. Lord Jesus Christ a YHWH saving annointing!

This also gives a reason for the permutations - Christ Jesus is annointing by the saviour - I am correct it is all in capitals with no gaps between words so this Jesus is also an interpretation.

ughaibu

Archimedes has a whole bunch of proposition 14s, each one in a different book.

Roger Pearse

Vast quantities of Greek literature does not exist in English. If you look at the 200+ volumes of the Patrologia Graeca, only a small portion has been translated. Much the same is true of the similarly sized Patrologia Latina. Considerable amounts of other ancient material have no translation.

In some cases newly discovered texts do not get published. A mathematical treatise which was traded at the same time as the ps.Gospel of Judas was bought by a secretive wealthy man and two scholars appointed to publish it. Neither is doing anything about it, and one has told me that he has 'other priorities'. No-one else is even allowed to see it -- yet it is a very ordinary text, I gather.

In oriental studies the situation is worse; even primary texts have often not been published, never mind translated. Thus in Syriac the works of Severus Sebokht have not been published, apart from his work on the astrolabe (I have a translation of this online); a French translation exists of his work on the constellations (I made a partial English version of this); the remainder have no Syriac or other language version available. Even entry-level workers must work with manuscripts.

The same is true in Armenian studies; probably also in Georgian and Middle Persian.

I think Nubian texts have mostly been published and translated.

I'm not au fait with the state of things in Ethiopic; sorry.

In Coptic there are continual discoveries, but only a few of these seem to get published or translated. I have been unable to obtain access to a published list of 37 codices made by James M. Robinson (of Nag Hammadi fame) that have been dug up in the last few decades, and which appears in the preface to the Wipf and Stock reprint of Crum's coptic dictionary.

So even amateurs like myself can end up doing useful work. There is so much to do, and so few doing it.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

ughaibu

Roger Pearse: Great stuff and more strength to your elbow.

Clivedurdle

A New Reading of Method Proposition 14: Preliminary Evidence from the Archimedes Palimpsest (Part 1) Reviel Netz, Ken Saito, Natalie Tchernetska