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Old 11-17-2009, 07:52 PM   #61
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Moor's Hindu Pantheon can be previewed on Google books.

Amazon (or via: amazon.co.uk) lacks a preview.
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According to Archarya, the British possibly destroyed the traditions related to a "crucified Krishna", which is why the Hindus don't have that tradition today.
According to AS this. According to AS that.

If she did not find any tradition regarding deliberate killing of Krishna, then she conjured it up out of thin air.
To be fair, I don't know if there is much that Acharya S conjured out of thin air. It looks like nearly all of her material on the "crucified Krishna" comes from 19th C sources. It is they who appear to have conjured it out of thin air, probably in an attempt to promote their "all religions are one" ideas.
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According to AS this. According to AS that.

If she did not find any tradition regarding deliberate killing of Krishna, then she conjured it up out of thin air.
To be fair, I don't know if there is much that Acharya S conjured out of thin air. It looks like nearly all of her material on the "crucified Krishna" comes from 19th C sources. It is they who appear to have conjured it out of thin air, probably in an attempt to promote their "all religions are one" ideas.
Those sources are wrong on many counts. To top it, most in the west KNOW that these sources are refuted [Hindus don't need it]. Still AS sticks to them like a limpet.
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Moor's Hindu Pantheon can be previewed on Google books.

Amazon (or via: amazon.co.uk) lacks a preview.
Here too
http://sacred-texts.com/hin/hmvp/hmvp04.htm

It has 65 illustrations. Not a single one depicts Krishna on a cross. <edit>

PS: Not Moor's but another one.
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To be fair, I don't know if there is much that Acharya S conjured out of thin air. It looks like nearly all of her material on the "crucified Krishna" comes from 19th C sources. It is they who appear to have conjured it out of thin air, probably in an attempt to promote their "all religions are one" ideas.
I'm sure this is correct. And these writers probably didn't think of themselves as inventing it, so much as straining the data to fit their theory, slurring "probable" into "certain", taking some minor piece of evidence which fit their theory and treating it as if it was the centrepiece of the cult, and so on.
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To be fair, I don't know if there is much that Acharya S conjured out of thin air. It looks like nearly all of her material on the "crucified Krishna" comes from 19th C sources. It is they who appear to have conjured it out of thin air, probably in an attempt to promote their "all religions are one" ideas.
I'm sure this is correct. And these writers probably didn't think of themselves as inventing it, so much as straining the data to fit their theory, slurring "probable" into "certain", taking some minor piece of evidence which fit their theory and treating it as if it was the centrepiece of the cult, and so on.
Theories like these points to a familiar pattern of former local deities taking on attributes of new, imported religions.
(e.g. here, in the remaking of the Slavic Perun). It would not be surprising that Krishna 'developed' Christ's stigmata in the folklore reacting to the spread of Christianity, and/or the idea being promoted by Christian missions in asserting that Krishna was spiritually aligned to, and anticipating Christ.

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I'm sure this is correct. And these writers probably didn't think of themselves as inventing it, so much as straining the data to fit their theory, slurring "probable" into "certain", taking some minor piece of evidence which fit their theory and treating it as if it was the centrepiece of the cult, and so on.
Theories like these points to a familiar pattern of former local deities taking on attributes of new, imported religions.
(e.g. here, in the remaking of the Slavic Perun).
I trust that this is not your sole source for knowing who Perun is. Moreover, how in your view does this source demonstrate, as you seem to claim it does (otherwise why cite it?), not only that Perun was "remade" but that he was "remade" in the way you say he was? Where does it show that what latter came to be attributed to him was something that was taken from a new religion, let alone an imported one?

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It is complicated matter and often it is difficult to be sure which attribute was imported from Christianity and which was pre-Christian.
For example Odin spent nine days hanging from the tree Yggdrasill, pierced by a spear, to attain the secret knowledge.
The story of Odin's hanging on Yggdrasill has several elements in common with Christ's crucifixion, but scholars don't think the Norse poets were especially influenced by the Christian story.
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To be fair, I don't know if there is much that Acharya S conjured out of thin air. It looks like nearly all of her material on the "crucified Krishna" comes from 19th C sources. It is they who appear to have conjured it out of thin air, probably in an attempt to promote their "all religions are one" ideas.
I'm sure this is correct. And these writers probably didn't think of themselves as inventing it, so much as straining the data to fit their theory, slurring "probable" into "certain", taking some minor piece of evidence which fit their theory and treating it as if it was the centrepiece of the cult, and so on.
Sounds just like how the politico fathers came to believe in the trinity. They "didn't think of themselves as inventing it" -- why should they? But they didn't think of themselves straining the data. The data had to be so.

What Roger's describing is the way of all things. The world is interpreted from where we are. Our own biases tend to dictate themselves over us and the world is what they say it is. Instead of finding ways of overcoming our biases, they are left to overcome us. So we have politicians who construct the world according to their biases, historians who reconstruct the past according to their biases, religionists who reconstruct reality according to their biases.

The infidel is supposed to have the benefit of doubt on their side, doubt which alone has the power to counteract one's biases.


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The infidel is supposed to have the benefit of doubt on their side, doubt which alone has the power to counteract one's biases.
Science proceeds on the basis of testing one's hypothesis. It is not necessary to doubt one's hypothesis, but only to test it. Someone may criticize our hypothesis as unfounded, but that should not deter us from testing it.
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