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Old 11-18-2005, 01:06 PM   #91
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Please cite where I "advocated the possibility that Josephus had access to the DSS".

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Old 11-18-2005, 01:15 PM   #92
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Please bear with me, but we will need to work through some of the logic and grammar of your above post. To start please clarify the following:

When you say "Josephus claimed membership in the Essenes. This is accompanied by the implication that this would have given access to texts� are you saying that I am implying this, or are you saying that you are making the implication? It is not clear in the sentence.
Your statement makes the implication.

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If you are claiming that I am implying this, why?
You made the statement.

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My question was simply trying to clarify your (since retracted) suggestion that many scholars argue that Josephus did not know Hebrew. Given your assumption, wouldn’t Josephus have needed a translator for virtually everything? Therefore please explain how does my question leads to such an implication?
Your question was not an undirected one. When you ask "do you believe that he have a translator during his tenure?" you clearly have documents as a subtext (indicated by "translator"). These are documents in relation to Josephus's claimed stay with the Essenes. The quibbling about the context of your statement and implications of your question do not change their being made.

Your effort is to attempt to create a trajectory for the notion of the "righteous teacher" becoming involved in your Roman complot.
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Please cite where I "advocated the possibility that Josephus had access to the DSS".

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What exactly do you understand by DSS?
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Old 11-18-2005, 01:22 PM   #94
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Your statement:

"Your effort is to attempt to create a trajectory for the notion of the "righteous teacher" becoming involved in your Roman complot"

has piqued my curiousity.

Please expand upon your believe that the 'righteous teacher' is involved in my 'Roman complot"? For example, how?

Looking foward to your reply.

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When I use the term "DDS" I am refering to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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When I use the term "DDS" I am refering to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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I asked exactly. We all know what "DSS" stands for. Do you refer strictly to texts found at Qumran or to any copies of those texts whether found at Qumran or not (and I exclude other DS sites only for lack of relevance)?
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Your statement:

"Your effort is to attempt to create a trajectory for the notion of the "righteous teacher" becoming involved in your Roman complot"

has piqued my curiousity.

Please expand upon your believe that the 'righteous teacher' is involved in my 'Roman complot"? For example, how?

Looking foward to your reply.

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To come to a clearer understanding of the Roman wit I maintain exists in the Gospels, you may wish to view the Peshers among the DSS. For example, 1QpHab, in which the interpreter looks into his Scriptures for parallels of the travails that his ‘Righteous Teacher’ is suffering at the hands of the Romans. The Romans, evidentially, were amused by such superstition and decided to create a ‘Righteous Teacher’ whose life had ‘truly’ foreseen the visitation of the real ‘son of God’ – Titus Flavius, son of the deified Vespasian. The Flavians, who were perhaps not "geniuses" but seemed to at least possess a wry sense of humor, simply copied the Jewish ‘secret’ style of writing to ‘prophesize’ the truth – that Titus would destroy the messianic movement of Palestine – in contrast to the Peshers of the ‘false prophets’ who saw in their Scriptures a Jewish victory over Rome.
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Note that the 'Righteous Teacher' I am referring to in the above post is "created" by the Romans. In your statement:

"Your effort is to attempt to create a trajectory for the notion of the "righteous teacher" becoming involved in your Roman complot"

are you referring to the 'righteous teacher" in the Scrolls or to the character I maintain the Romans created?

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Only Qumran, not Murabba', Masada, or Daliyeh.
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