aa5874

It is a compilation OF versions of Ghost stories about a character called Jesus Christ born of a Ghost and a Virgin, that was on the Pinnacle of the Temple with Satan, walked on water, TRANSFIGURED, RESURRECTED and ASCENDED in a cloud.

You believe those Ghost stories contain the history of a man and have INVENTED another version from your imagination.

Please TELL US about your IMAGINED VERSION of Jesus.

When do you IMAGINE your version was born?

Where do you IMAGINE your version was born?

How do you IMAGINE HE DIED?

You have the BEST IMAGINATION!!!

J-D

Some of the stories in the New Testament mention conception by a spirit and some don't; some mention birth from a virgin and some don't; some mention temptation by Satan and some don't; some mention walking on water and some don't; some mention ascension in a cloud and some don't.

mountainman

And then we also have to consider as part of the evidence the stories in the New testament Apocryphal corpus. Some of these stories mention that the Apostle John searched for the footprints of Jesus as he walked and could not fnd them and other stories dont; some stories mention that as Jesus was led away from the tomb by two giant figures, his head was higher than the heavens and that the cross ambled along behind this trinity in direct voice communication with He who is beyond Understanding, and other stores dont mention this.

aa5874

Ok.



ALL DON'T mention that HJ was born in Nazareth some mention Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

ALL The four Gospels claimed Jesus walked on the sea.

ALL the FOUR Gospels claimed he was RAISED from the dead.

ALL FOUR Gospels in the NT CANON are Ghost stories.

mountainman

And with thanks to the Gnostic heretics there were many sequel stories. Were these texts the literary reactions of Greek academic unbelievers to the Real Official Ghost Story ?

The large majority of these sequel non-canonical gospels (and Acts, etc) are conjectured, by academic consensus, to have been authored after the appearance of the Nicaean Edition of the Ghost-Who-Resurrects Stories,

J-D

Yes. Matthew and Luke say he was born in Bethlehem. Mark and John don't say where he was born.

But all four describe him as a resident of Nazareth.No, I don't think Luke does.Pretty much. To be absolutely precise, all four accounts describe an unidentified somebody reporting that he had risen from the dead. Matthew, Luke, and John all describe this being confirmed by his appearance in person. Mark does too if you include those last few verses which aren't found in the earliest manuscripts, but not if you stop (as you have suggested) at 16:8.All four canonical Gospels contain some statements which cannot possibly be historically true and some other statements which might or might not be historically true.

archibald

Very enjoyable. :]

aa5874

OK. Let me see now. We have a positive ID of Jesus for ALL four gospels.

1. ALL four described him as a resident of Nazareth.

2. All four claimed he walked on the sea.

3. All four claimed he was raised from the dead.

4. ALL four claimed he was called Jesus Christ.

5. All four implied his mother's name was Mary.

6. All four did NOT claim he had a human Father.

7. ALL four claimed a Holy Ghost BIRD lighted upon him at baptism.

We are talking about the same Child of the Ghost in gMatthew and gLuke.

The same applies to Pilate with far less commonality.

1. All four claimed Jesus was on trial Before Pilate.

We are talking about the same Pilate who was governor in gLuke and gMatthew.

Pilate was a Governor based on all four gospels and can be corroborated by external non-apologetic sources of antiquity.

Jesus was the Child of a Ghost based on all four gospels and cannot be corroborated.

J-D

Yes.No, I don't think Luke does.I don't think that's clear for the case of Mark.All four name him as Jesus, and all four say that he was the Christ, but I don't think Luke uses the combined description 'Jesus Christ'.No. Matthew and Luke describe him directly as having been born to Mary. Mark describes people referring to his mother as Mary. John mentions his mother but never by name.Possibly, although Luke does say that Joseph was supposed to be his father.Yes.Logical identity is a predicate only applicable to things that really exist.Each of the four gospels makes some statements about Jesus which cannot possibly be historically true and some statements about Jesus which might or might not be historically true.

aa5874

So without any external corroboration for Jesus of the four gospels and the fact many statements about Jesus cannot possibly be historical I will ACCEPT that they are Ghost stories.

A supposed contemporary of Jesus claimed he was NOT the apostle of a man but of Jesus Christ who was raised from the dead. See Galatians 1.1

Such a claim is COMPATIBLE with Ghost stories.

Again, without external sources to CONTRADICT the Jesus stories I can ONLY accept the FOUR Gospels as Ghost stories of a Ghost called Jesus Christ.

I accept Pilate as a Governor based on external corroboration by Philo and Josephus.