Originally Posted by Larsguy47

Interesting; and PERTINENT! That's because that may be why I was not told about this at first. The Bible says, "Nobody knows the DAY nor HOUR" not even the messiah. This suggests that he would be surprised when it happens. And that's true. I was led to think I was just doing some special research, sort of a chosen "prophet" and then lots of activity seemed centered around me. Furthermore, as you note in Revelation, the physical second coming messiah is just the body and identity taken up by the heavenly Christ. So at one point there are two messiahs. Thus we see on the earth the woman (representing the secret organization of Christ) giving birth to the messiah who is "caught up to heaven", where the Devil has just been thrown out by the heavenly messiah, Michael the archangel, who is Jesus Christ. So you have TWO MESSIAHS for a while until they become one. Until the prodigal son messiah actually becomes the messiah, he is now aware. So it is only after this "vision" or delusion occurred, that then I could recognize in the Bible the specifics that was already there in the Bible. Such as the prodigal son being given the banquet. It seems just like an illustration of forgiveness, but after you realize it's a messianic parable and that the christ takes up the body of someone else at the second coming, then I immediately recognized myself as that person, because, me of all people, why ME? I had left god for a while and was now just coming back. But that is exactly what happened.

So a lot of the "interpretation" is post-event. Even the specific DATING is post-event. So I was not trying to work out a fulfillment.

But you can see the genius in this. If someone knows ahead of time, it affects their choices. Had I known I was supposed to become the messiah eventually but would lead a life of sin, away from God first, would I have ever made that choice? Of course not! It was imporant that I not know so that my actions were true. The leaving God was true but the return was also true.

So AFTER THE FACT is where the details fell in place, even the "eunuch" (gay) nature of the messiah at the second coming is quite obvious after the fact. Things that were always there that seemed just casual or passing references, suddenly made specific sense.

Even strange things like the promise that the messiah's physical appearance to others would be "like lightening, that shines from east to west." On casual reading that sounds like everybody from coast to coast would be able to see him, certainly. But lightening is not like the sun, it's just a FLASH! So how is that fulfilled? How can people from coast to coast see me for a short time? TELEVISION! National television. That would fulfill the prophecy. If I were on some national program being interviewed for a short time, maybe only 20 seconds or something, anyone who tuned in from coast to coast could see me! But only for thos 20 seconds! Otherwise, of course, I'm living a private life with only select "eagle" guardians around me, unaware to myself.

But I understand they were there. I think there had to be intervention sometimes. Once I was robbed and someone bashed my face in. I was living as a woman at the time. It was a very low time. Then this nice old man whom I guess witnessed it, helped me. He drove me to the hospital and then home later. I wasn't severely hurt. But maybe that experience was too much for me and I was in too much danger, so they intervened, but without letting me think they were always there watching. Now, that's totally subjective, but still, I've wondered why that person just showed up too.




That works for this photo of the "sign." Basically everybody who knows I'm the messiah are supposed to not recognize me in public or announce me. That's why the Bible says if someone says, "There he is!" or "Here he is!" then don't believe them because those who know who he is won't be acknowledging him in public. They are to remain secret. So out of the blue this skyscape photographer befriends me and talks as if she believes I'm the messiah. I didn't trust her because that was not the way it was supposed to happen. She did this semi-publicly as well. People thought I was using two screen names and she never convinced some people she was a different person that I was. That's how disbelieving some people are, by contrast. At any rate we became fast friends and the 7th-year anniversary of the sign came up, December 26. I had only known her for about 2-3 months at the most! So I figured since this was the 7th year of the sign appearing that maybe it would appear to me again since the 7th is a special number of significance. I related to her the time it occurred in the afternoon and the date. She thought, as a believer, the sign might appear to her as well so planned to take photos during that period. She seemed amazed by the clouds that day in her sky (she was in another state) and sent me the photos. Then I recognized the imagery of the sleeping black child, representing the black prodigal son!

NOW I realize that was a setup so that I would have something tangible of the miracle. Even though some claim they see nothing, I can clearly see the sleeping black child, the eagle descending toward the body being lifted out of the river of fire, all significant to the second coming, black prodigal son. So that IS the rare experience. Now what is also notable, is that this woman wasn't just a "believer" who happened to have a camera. She specifically specialized in skyscapes and had published some of her photos before on the net! So in retrospect, it was clear why she had to "break the rules" a bit so that I could get this tangible evidence for myself as well as for others who had seen their own individual manifestation. Now you tell me? All those images just happened to appear in that location, to this person who happened to have the camera equipment specialized in skyscapes, who just happened to believe I was the messiah and the clouds just happened to have appeared to her? Coincidence. No way! But had I taken the photo myself, you can see nobody would believe me. These images needed something more, a second "witness" to confirm WHEN and the circumstance they occurred, which establishes their authenticity. The photo is still dismissed but not so summarily as if I took the photo myself, etc.



That's a valid point, but I'm sort of immune to "engrandeur" at the second coming. Not that I don't have an ego. But basically look at the messiah at the second coming? God chooses the ultimate "black sheep" of the family, in more ways than one! How embarrassing is it that someone who claims to have loved God and believed the Bible would leave him? My whole personal life becomes an open book this way.

And even if I'm proud or I want to brag about it, there is no way I can glory in it, any more than someone can glory in winning the lottery versus earning a fortune through skill or talent. Maybe that's why the prodigal son was chosen! He comes back, having squandered his position as the heir and wants to just be a hired worker, a slave in God's house. He comes back willing to do everything including the windows! Just get back in if at all possible. A serious mistake had been made?

So God basically says, "Oh great! Here's someone with the right attitude, willing to do anything, and doesn't mind starting at the bottom, with no heirs whatsoever. Someone eager to work!" So he chooses that person with that commitment already to become the messiah. I said, "Wait a minute!" But it was too late. I had signed on the dotted line before I knew what was involved.

The other side of that is that God CRUSHES and HUMBLES whom he loves. So God CRUSHED me in many ways, or at least my ego.

Further, I had to symbolically give up my life for the sake of Christ, voluntarily. So when push comes to shove, if God requires my death, I've already died. So if you've already given up your PERSONAL PREFERENCE LIFE, to do whatever God wants, including die, then it sort of limits the personal engrandisement issues.

I truly would rather not bring it up. It's fun being the messiah in a secret society. But since we're at the point of confirming Bible prophecy and near the end of the world, at some point I have to come out and display myself, if even on a limited stage. Just to fill in the blanks of those who are sincerely understanding and testing to see what and when all these things are supposed to occur.

So the grandiosity argument certainly is pertinent but just not that much of an issue in my case. In the kingdom, those who are the LEAST are given the most glory and the higest position to make up for their embarassment. Those who are most shameful are given the most honor so that they are not looked down upon. So essentially, in a way, since the position of the Christ is the highest honor, absolutely, it would go to the lowest person, or the person in the lowest category. So the glory of Christ makes up for my reputation of previous sins.

That's what is happening here. This is me:

3 Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.”

5 At that I said: “Let them put a clean turban upon his head.” And they proceeded to put the clean turban upon his head and to clothe him with garments; and the angel of Jehovah was standing by. 6 And the angel of Jehovah began to bear witness to Joshua, saying: 7 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘If it is in my ways that you will walk, and if it is my obligation that you will keep, then also it will be you that will judge my house and also keep my courtyards; and I shall certainly give you free access among these who are standing by.’

Now per the "prodigal son" parable, there would, of course, be upsets that I was chosen instead of others who had given their lives and lived faithfully and all that! But any member could have been chosen to embody the Christ physically at the second coming. But God choose to do it this way for many reasons. Someone not that attractive, someone who brings very little of their own to the table so that everything is God's glory in the transformation. I'm sort of the opposite of the first Christ, who was sinless. All men sin, but God chose someone with an abundance of sins in contrast.




Again, as above, this happened out of the blue and was unexpected and I just recognized and verified the scriptures after the fact. It would be great to be famous and glorious and all that, but how can the "prodigal son" ever raise his head up that high? My glory is God's glory. I have none of my own, not compared to all those monks and missionaries, you know? But maybe that protects me! Maybe if I were good looking or brought a lot of personal talent or reputation to the table I'd develop an ego and succomb to some of the wrong attitudes. Not that I don't. But God smites me right back down when I become inappropriate.

So actually, beyond the sheer joy of having the personal relationship with the Creator, being the messiah is basically fufilling a contract. It's commission. A job. A wonderful job, with lots of controls.

LG47

Originally Posted by Lars

Well, in my case, there's a Biblical precedent and accompanying physical evidence (I have pictures).

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

Hey, lets see the pictures and physical evidence!

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

I also notice that you say you use the bible to prove that your visions are from god...except you also would claim that your visions are evidence of god, thus proving the bible. Ring around the Circular argument!

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

I also notice you deal with my objection to your story about god's visions by saying that demons can cause indistinguishable visions. So, to recap, you dismiss my skepticism about dubious evidence about one invisible, indetectable being by positing a second invisible, undetectable being, using the same evidence!

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

You also say 'God would never order a woman to kill her children' and say that you use the bible to interpret your visions. Obviously, you ignore the parts where god does order people to kill children, even their own. If you ignore parts of the bible that would give you an interpretation that you do not desire, how can you pretend that your interpretations are valid?

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

So again, how can you be sure that it is not the drowning woman who is correct, and you who have been deceived? I know I can find bible passages that support her, and I bet if you told me more about your visions, I could find flaws in your interpetation, and contrary bible verses.

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

So, in short, you interpret your hallucinations as you please, dismiss all contrasting visions, and (mis)use the same old discredited book of myths for justification. Isn't it simpler and more reasonable to credit it to brain problems?

Originally Posted by Larsguy47

Well, I would comment but the moderators I think want me to keep this generalized and not so personal, you know, it seems as thought I'm "prostlytizing" by sharing my experience, (all the atheists are pulling out their garlic and crosses here to protect themselves).

Originally Posted by RAFH

This is like finding meaning in one's dreams.

Originally Posted by RAFH

I thought those people weren't supposed to take drugs.

Big deal, there's a picture of some clouds that if you really push it you might see something or other. Really, folks, please get real and serious. There are trillions of potential cloud pictures every moment, does anybody really believe they mean anything? That this particular photo, which may or may not have been photoshopped, means anything. This is like finding meaning in one's dreams.

I would think signs from an all powerful, magnificent, all knowing, transdimensional being would be a bit more significant and certainly wouldn't need any interpretation. Sort of like the picture below of the big dude with the rainbow aura around his head standing in the clouds, that I could see as a serious indication something wanted to get my attention, but this cloud picture?? ... ... please!!

Originally Posted by Gawen

But that's the whole point....ah, Lars's point. He believes God has chosen HIM to decipher the clouds to look for his own (Lars) sign of his own (Lars) second coming.

And Lars would have us believe that the sign is only for a special chosen few, with obvious top of the line God-goggles.

And who thinks:
1 John 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

does not apply to him.