Toto

cweb - didn't someone clue you in that Chili occupies an alternate plane of reality? [Definitely not a member of the reality based community]. Please stop trying to make sense of what he says.

Chili

Matthew is reporting what came across to Jesus in the conscious mind as opposed to Luke from the subconscious mind.

Mark is very much inspired but he only reports what is visible from the outside without the effect of Judaism. He doesn't have to be pagan, per se, but he doesn't know the effect religion is supposed to have on the believer. In the gospels we see that religion is a means to the end and must be left behind when the end is reached. Mark doesn't know about John the Baptist or the birth of Jesus, or the reason why the Jews convicted Jesus. The fact that Mark was outside of the religious cause behind the Gosples suggest that there never was a historical Jesus or Mark would have reported this (I mean you just don't crucify a person to please an angry mob).

John confirms this with Nathanael under the fig tree = no infancy narrative in the mind of Joseph [the reborn Jew] of which Judaism was the cause that is reported by Matthew and Luke = no honeymoon with Jesus in John and therefore no Jesus worshippers to be found in Catholicism.

Also compare John with Matthew in the so called "Great Commision" where Catholics must bear the stigmata before they can be send to preach the Gospel: while showing his wounds Jesus said "As the father send me, so I am sending you." These would be the Jesuits = followers of Jesus and not Christians as of yet.

Judaism is a great religion that actually gets people into heaven and live to tell about it. Jesus did and so did many others.

But, to do this it must be a means to the end and therefore "his blood be on us and our children" is right and ever so right -- and I still maintain that that it is the best thing the Jews ever did -- and still do from time to time (Spinoza anyone?).

First, the ego must be crucified to die lest it returns and fills the empty house (stable) with many more demons. And yes, Matt. 27:64 tells us that "the final imposter will be worse much than the first" and therefore it is necessary that Jesus died. So here we go, Jesus was an imposter as Joseph-the-Jew and therefore rightfully accused by the Jews while he was innocent as Jesus-son-of-man and casually set free under the name of Bar-Abbas by Pilate to let the bare naked ego die.

Chili

Does she mean the Catholic church here, Toto?

Chili

I thought Macbeth was the greatest religious satire ever written (just compare Macbeth with Coriolanus; on second thought, don't bother).

Chili

Never mind, she probably doesn't know the difference.

The question was
The answer here is that the Catholic Church is an inspired religion with saints in heaven who have the mind of God. They are omniscient or noetic or whatever you want to call it. This makes them necessarily "Infallible" (I just love that word) and they can do what they want because they are censored by natural law through understanding of the supernatural (which doesn't really exist in heaven where all is clear to them).

Here's how that works. When Peter was defrocked from Judaism--which was about when all doubt was removed with the exclamation of Thomas-the-doubter "my Lord and my God"-- Peter was found naked on their next fishing trip and consequently had caught nothing that night. This was no surprise to Jesus who ascended to heaven when all doubt was removed (no doubters in heaven) and knew that Peter would be naked because faith cannot be conceived to exist without doubt (Peter was faith and Twin with Thomas; the exclamation "my Lord and my God" granted ascension).

Knowing that Peter would be naked Jesus said to Peter: "Peter, if you're gonne be the first Pope, you've got to fish in the celestial waters and they are on the right side of the boat and there you will find big fish that are easy to catch. And so Peter put on his cloak of faith and dove headfirst into this celestial sea (which is in the right side of our mind).

The message here is that faith was needed but not for Jesus who had exhausted his Jewish faith through understanding and the manifestation of its purpose. Indeed, the faith they were looking for was to built the Church Jesus promised in Matt. 16-18 against which the gates of hell will not prevail and this is where and how they achieved that.

Chili

Yes I will except for a rebuttal on that article to keep the playing field level. I promise it will be short and sweet.

Chili

Here you go Magdlyn, this one's 'fresh.'

Yes, the guy has Jesus and Jesus Christ mixed up. Jesus was King of his own Babylon but Christ was not (don't forget the dual nature of Jesus).

What the author of that paper fails to recognize is that Jesus was raised from the dead and there becomes the Omega in addition to the Alpha. The Tower of Babel become his richess in heaven (Jesus raised the temple).

Just a little mistake I wanted to point out.

Chili

. . . that you can collapse own ivory tower and raise it again in the other side of your life. That is why, as I suggested earlier, the Revelation is neither Jewish nor Catholic but yours to live (Rev.14:13) -- unless you think otherwise, of course.

mightyjoemoon

I never realized that hallucinogenics could be translated via text on a screen. Now I know.

spin

Snow White and the four dwarves?


spin