jdboy

The same people that approved and authorized Josephus to write Wars Of The Jews. The Romans had him write a true account of what happened and then created a fictional account to show that the christ was divine(Roman Emperor).
The Romans had the authority to do this because God had gone over to Rome as Josephus tell us.

that's how i see it maybe

outhouse

in a known myther forum??? really ???

outhouse

exactly

it is his review I believe, im having issues with

Duvduv

Aha, now we are getting somewhere. The logical imperative makes it MORE LIKELY texts emerged in the environment of the new regime than in a state of obscurity. Mountainman, are you around??? Shesh??
For what it's worth, I could never be convinced that everything written in the name of Josephus originated from the time after the destruction of Jerusalem and were not interpolated by creative church writers. For example, the legends of Massada for example........

Horatio Parker

Perhaps that is the perception desired and generated by later authorities ie that a high degree of central control existed when it did not.

Maybe the early canon was less authoritative than it now appears. But the difference would be that the competing versions are no longer available.

outhouse

ding ding ding

we have a winner.

and thats how it should be viewed

Horatio Parker

I'll take my prize in cash, thanks.

Just trying to reconcile the evidence....

outhouse

you get green X's instead of cash LOL

thats what some of us are trying to do. My issue is with the refusal or perversion of evidence.

jdboy

Yes, Josephus and Luke both claim to have perfect understanding of the events and the correct order of presentation.

Josephus claims the Romans locked up the torah. Jesus makes the same claim,
he is sealing up visions and prophecies.

Jesus claims authority from God and Josephus tells us God is with Rome.

Here is jesus a high priest going over to the Romans. Caesar promises to restore jesus and others to what they had.
WOTJ Bk 6 ch2.2
"fled to the Romans, of whom were the [high priests] Joseph and Jesus, and of the sons of [high priests] I have already related; many also of the other
nobility went over to the Romans."

Interestingly the seditious jews claimed that the romans killed jesus but Josephus says it was a trick to keep others from deserting. Now we see the trick(reversed) played out in the bible where the romans faked his death and had jesus reappear to others that were going over to the romans

"Some also there were who, watching a proper opportunity when they might quietly get away, fled to the Romans, of whom were the [high priests] Joseph and Jesus, and of the sons of [high priests] three, whose father was Ishmael, who was beheaded in Cyrene, and four sons of Matthias, as also one son of the other Matthias, who ran away after his father's death, (9) and whose father was slain by Simon the son of Gioras, with three of his sons, as I have already related; many also of the other nobility went over to the Romans, together with the [high priests]. Now Caesar not only received these men very kindly in other respects, but, knowing they would not willingly live after the customs of other nations, he sent them to Gophna, and desired them to remain there for the present, and told them, that when he was gotten clear of this war, he would restore each of them to their possessions again; so they cheerfully retired to that small city which was allotted them, without fear of any danger. But as they did not appear, the seditious gave out again that these deserters were slain by the Romans, which was done in order to deter the rest from running away, by fear of the like treatment. This trick of theirs succeeded now for a while, as did the like trick before; for the rest were hereby deterred from deserting, by fear of the like treatment."

Toto

Yes, this is essentially what people have been saying all along. I don't know why Duvduv has such a problem with the idea.