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Old 06-15-2004, 12:08 PM   #551
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And this was explained in another thread by another theist. El/Elohim refers to the general category of God. Yahweh is the specific Hebrew name for the Jewish God. Since Gen 1 was written as a general overview of creation, the general word for God was used, where as when Gen 2, the more specific recap of Gen 1, the Hebrew Yahweh was used.
As it's been explained to you that the two different creation accounts are contributable to two different sources and written at different times and locations, one of which referred to God as "El" or "Elohim" and one as "YHWH", and were later combined (along with other texts) to form what we now call "Genesis". See the following link:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/2/Judaism/jepd.html

The Flood account provides an excellent example of the documentary hypothesis. The following link shows the two different flood accounts that were later merged side-by-side:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/2/Judaism/jp-flood.html

The documentary hypothesis provided the best explanation I've seen for the contradictory accounts and repetititions we see in Genesis and the Torah in general.

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Yes, but we've known Mt. Olympus was real for a very long time.
Umm, so? I'll pick another example: Troy.

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Up until last week, the Pool of Siloam was a myth.
I don't think anyone really considered the Pool of Siloam a myth...

You must be referring to the following:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1086750592316

But I'm confused...

Umm, here's a picture of the Pool of Siloam from Sept. 2003:

http://dqhall59.com/pool_of_Siloam.htm

Here's another site:

http://www.facingthechallenge.org/siloam.htm

And another:

http://www.rc.net/wcc/israel/siloam.htm

Here's a stone that was discovered in 1880:

http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/siloam.html

More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_Siloam

And then there's this site:

http://www.godsplan-today.com/Bible3Eng.htm

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The pool [of Siloam] is one of the few undisputed localities in ancient Jerusalem. Waters from the Spring Gihon flow into the Pool of Siloam through a tunnel which was engineered by King Hezekiah in 715 BCE. Hezekiah's 1750 foot tunnel can still be traversed by foot today.
So what exactly is the Pool of Siloam in all those links I provided if archaeologists just recently stumbled across the Pool of Siloam? Will the real Pool of Siloam please stand up?

I think I'll open a thread on this in BC&A.

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And of course I never presented this point to show that the Bible is obviously correct because we can prove real places mentioned in the Bible exist. I was just stating that Archaeology does not always disagree with the Bible.
What you stated was "archaeology actually supports the Bible."
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Old 06-15-2004, 12:35 PM   #552
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In addition to the contradictions pointed out by QoS, Mageth, and myself earlier:

G1: God is distant and cosmic
G2: God is close-up and anthropomorphic

G1: God creates by commanding
G2: God creates by reshaping pre-existing material

G1: God creates in systematic, step-by-step fashion
G2: God has to fix his creation as he goes

G1: God is very happy with what he had created
G2: God seems like he is very exasperated with what he had created

G1: Both sexes of humanity were created at the same time
G2: The first woman was created after the first man

About the latter one, some medieval Rabbis have proposed:

Adam was hermaphroditic, and Eve was created by splitting "him" in two.
Adam had had sex with those animals that God had created for him.
(I can dig up links on both interpretations)

The most common reconciliation of G1 and G2 is to suppose that G2 is what happened when humanity was created as described in G1. However, that seems like some rather forcible shoehorning to me.

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Ipretrich didn't bring up an inconsistency because there is no contradiction between Gen 1 and Gen 2. They are just written in 2 different contexts and for a different purpose - its still the same story. ...

Since Gen 1 was written as a general overview of creation, the general word for God was used, where as when Gen 2, the more specific recap of Gen 1, the Hebrew Yahweh was used.
The details are too different for them to be the "same story". Unless one supposes them to be separate allegories about the same event.
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Since Gen 1 was written as a general overview of creation, the general word for God was used, where as when Gen 2, the more specific recap of Gen 1, the Hebrew Yahweh was used.
except you have it exactly backwards: the second genesis story is the older one. nor are you correct on 'Elohim' as this is a title that can be used for POH (Plain Old Humans).
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