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Toto · 02-01-2008, 12:07 AM

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_X

Quote:

It has served us well, this myth of Christ.

Widely attributed to Leo X, the earliest known source of this statement is actually a polemical work by John Bale Acta Romanorum Pontificum which was first translated from Latin into English as The Pageant of the Popes in 1574: "For on a time when a cardinall Bembus did move a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gave him a very contemptuous answer saying: All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie." The Pope in this case being Leo X.

God Fearing Atheist · 02-01-2008, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Gibson

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Fearing Atheist

For the quote that was under discussion anyway, yeah. She may have reproduced Macrobius' words elsewhere, but i'd have to check.

So how does Davies translate 1.17-23?

Jeffrey

I'll try to scan the pages as soon as I get internet access in my new apartment (I'm using a library computer at the moment).

Clivedurdle · 02-01-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iasion

I see the erroneous "quote" from Pope Leo X
"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us"

So what scholarship would you point at as the final
pontification of this "erroneous" Pope Leo X quote,
and what convinces you that your source is to be
treated as the final authority in this issue?

Best wishes,

Pete Brown

Oi! Copying JG is not allowed!

02-01-2008, 01:45 PM

Hi all,

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

So what scholarship would you point at as the final
pontification of this "erroneous" Pope Leo X quote,
and what convinces you that your source is to be
treated as the final authority in this issue?
Best wishes,Pete Brown

The facts of this case are fairly well established, if you bother to check the details, as I, and others here did.

It appears you WANT this quote to be true, even though the facts disagree.

Just like you WANTED to believe that Julian thought Jesus was fictional, even though the facts disagreed.

Iasion

Toto · 02-03-2008, 10:14 PM

mountainman digression that has nothing much to do with Acharya has been split off here.

God Fearing Atheist · 02-09-2008, 02:11 PM

Here is how the Davies' quote appears in Suns of God (pg. 68):

Quote:

Macrobius was admittedly an expert in the religions of the day, such that his opinions are well founded that "all the gods of Greek and Roman mythology represents the attributes of one supreme divine power--the sun." (17)

Footnote 17 on page 84:

Quote:

Macrobius, 5.

Though she doesn't exactly say (in the book, anyway) that the quote is from Macrobius and not Davies' introduction, calling it "his opinions" and attributing it to "Macrobius" could certainly give someone that impression, as appearently it did to Dave.

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