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Old 04-24-2005, 08:01 AM   #21
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Instead, paul is absolutely obsessed with hatred for the law that he spends almost as much time creating ungrounded assertions concerning his correlation between jesus and the ending of the Law. This is quite apparent in his writings, but especially so in the few pages from Galatians where he compares the Law to keeping everyone a prisoner and jesus freed everyone from its bindings. Paul is like matthew in that he quotes passages from the OT to try and have a relation to what he personally wants to put forth, but these really say about the opposite. He blatantly lies that no one is put right with god by following the Law, yet throughout the OT this is shown to be completely false. Here are clear enough passages to show this.
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16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Paul acts like no one can have life because of following the Law and in his own words, he even cancels jesus out.
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21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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Most serious of all is the fact that we don't have the original letters. Who's to say what was added or subtracted by the many copiers who came between those original letters and the extant manuscripts (written years later than the originals) which we have today?
An excellent point, especially considering that several letters attributed to Paul are now widely considered to be post-Paul creations with Paul's name attached. I'm pretty sure this is generally accepted, even among Christian scholars.

I've also found it interesting that while there are several letters that are almost surely legitimate from Paul, we don't have any letters from anyone else in the early Jesus movement. There are of course some logical explanations for this. However, its tantalizing to imagine that there may have been letters from other leaders of the movement, some who actually knew Jesus, contradicting key things that Paul says that did not survive because the message Paul was preaching was emotionally compelling while competing messages were not.

Unfortunately, barring a archealogical discovery of truly epic proportions, I don't think we will ever know what was going on during the first 20-30 years of the Jesus movement. But it is fun to speculate.
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