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TonyN · 02-22-2007, 03:39 PM

From RED DAVE:
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Since the Biblical flood allegedly occurred after the founding of Egyptian civilization,

(1) why is there no indication in Egyptian records of such an event or

(2) any indication of a break in Egyptian history?

I eagerly await your answer.

From TonyN:

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If there is no indication in Egyptian records of that specific flood of Noah
And there isn't. And you know it.

From TonyN:

it is because any scribe that could have written of it died in the flood.

RED DAVE: That is the dumbest shit I have read on this board in a long time. What about the scribes that came after the flood? Where did they come from?

The scribes that came after the flood were from those who came off of Noah's ark and repopulated the area.

From TonyN:

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I guess you are going to have to prove there is no break.

RED DAVE: No. You have to prove that there is a break. You are making an extraordinary claim: that well within historical times, after the invention of writing, the entire world was covered by a flood. You need some proof.

Sorry but you do have to prove it since you brought it up.

RED DAVE:

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There is no break in Egyptian historical records. There is no gap. There is no evidence of the death of the entire population and a revival of civilization. Writing survives, in the same language, Ancient Egyptian, without mudstains, from before and after the alleged date of the flood.

Saying so does not prove so.

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RED DAVE: Where's the evidence for a flood?

In historical documents called the Bible.

RED DAVE:

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I eagerly await your answer.

RED DAVE

I hope I didn't let you down.

TonyN · 02-22-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlOfLade

1. You have been presented with overwhelming amount of evidence showing no global flood, yet you reject it all.

2. No matter how much and what type of evidence is being presented to you and which goes against your belief, is ignored and ridiculed.

You have no intention nor the will to, accept evidence.

The exact same can be said of you buddy.

EarlOfLade · 02-22-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyN

The exact same can be said of you buddy.

Not at all..

Present evidence and I'll be happy to look at it and to evaluate it. And I'll be happy to comment on the quality and contents of your evidence. So far, you have not presented any evidence.

RED DAVE · 02-22-2007, 04:43 PM

From RED DAVE:

Quote:

Since the Biblical flood allegedly occurred after the founding of Egyptian civilization,

(1) why is there no indication in Egyptian records of such an event or

(2) any indication of a break in Egyptian history?

I eagerly await your answer.

From TonyN:

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If there is no indication in Egyptian records of that specific flood of Noah

From RED DAVE:

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And there isn't. And you know it.

From TonyN:

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it is because any scribe that could have written of it died in the flood.

From RED DAVE:

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That is the dumbest shit I have read on this board in a long time. What about the scribes that came after the flood? Where did they come from?

From TonyN:

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The scribes that came after the flood were from those who came off of Noah's ark and repopulated the area.

Uhh, how about some evidence? How come that little fact isn't mentioned anywhere in Egyptian records? Are you saying that these scribes didn't notice that their civilization had been destroyed and they were rebuilding it?

From TonyN:

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I guess you are going to have to prove there is no break.

From RED DAVE:

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No. You have to prove that there is a break. You are making an extraordinary claim: that well within historical times, after the invention of writing, the entire world was covered by a flood. You need some proof.

From TonyN:

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Sorry but you do have to prove it since you brought it up.

Nope: the rule is that extraordinary assertions, such as you have made: that there is a gap in Egyptian history due to a worldwide flood, require extraordinary proof.

You have given no proof. You have none. The Bibilical flood never happened. To maintain that it did without proof is dishonest.

From RED DAVE:

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There is no break in Egyptian historical records. There is no gap. There is no evidence of the death of the entire population and a revival of civilization. Writing survives, in the same language, Ancient Egyptian, without mudstains, from before and after the alleged date of the flood.

From TonyN:

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Saying so does not prove so.

Dude, I don't have to prove it. The burden or proof is on you. If I assert that when I went out last nighton the streets of New York City, I saw a car, I don't have to prove it. If you assert that you saw a purple cow, you do have to prove it.

From RED DAVE:

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Where's the evidence for a flood?

From TonyN:

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In historical documents called the Bible.

Since I have counter-proof, specifically asserting that during the time of the alleged flood Egypt suffered no gap in its civilization, you now have to disprove that proof.

I eagerly await your answer.

From TonyN:

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I hope I didn't let you down.

You didn't. You have engaged in exactly the kind of dishonest debating I exected.

No gap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt

Still waiting for your proof.

RED DAVE

RAFH · 02-22-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:
From TonyN:
And there isn't. And you know it.

From TonyN:
That is the dumbest shit I have read on this board in a long time. What about the scribes that came after the flood? Where did they come from?

From TonyN:
No. You have to prove that there is a break. You are making an extraordinary claim: that well within historical times, after the invention of writing, the entire world was covered by a flood. You need some proof.

There is no break in Egyptian historical records. There is no gap. There is no evidence of the death of the entire population and a revival of civilization. Writing survives, in the same language, Ancient Egyptian, without mudstains, from before and after the alleged date of the flood.

Where's the evidence for a flood?

I eagerly await your answer.

RED DAVE

Not to mention any similar break in the Sumerians, the Indus river or the Chinese civilizations.

RAFH · 02-22-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:

From TonyN:

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it is because any scribe that could have written of it died in the flood.

That is the dumbest shit I have read on this board in a long time. What about the scribes that came after the flood? Where did they come from?

No shit!
Quite possible among the top 100 dumbest shit ever.

Then again, there is the answer to your question:

From TonyN:

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The scribes that came after the flood were from those who came off of Noah's ark and repopulated the area.

Uh, Tony, there weren't any scribes on the ark. Noah didn't take two scribes, male and female, with him.

So they would have to be Noah's progeny, humm, wonder how they got so powerful so quick, specially since they weren't god's special people, so they could enslave the Israelites just several hundred years later.

RAFH · 02-22-2007, 05:30 PM

I didn't have any idea you had such live sport in here. This is fun even if it does cramp your brain now and then.

RED DAVE · 02-22-2007, 08:18 PM

According to Bishp Ussher, the flood occurred in 2348. This is in the reign of Teti at the beginning of the 6th Dynasty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pharaohs

6th Dynasty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_dynasty_of_Egypt

No break, TonyN.

Still waiting for your reply.

(If we're really lucky, we'll get a link to Ron Wyatt.)

RED DAVE

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR · 02-22-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

(If we're really lucky, we'll get a link to Ron Wyatt.)

RED DAVE

Man that was eons and eons ago! Here, and nobody ever did debunk TonyN after he posted that proof!

IIRC we all went insane and started to sing the theme from Gilligan's Island, oh and I hallucinated about giants building mountains after the flood... WHEW! What a long strange trip it ain't been!

RED DAVE · 02-22-2007, 10:55 PM

From DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR:

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Man that was eons and eons ago! Here, and nobody ever did debunk TonyN after he posted that proof!

IIRC we all went insane and started to sing the theme from Gilligan's Island, oh and I hallucinated about giants building mountains after the flood... WHEW! What a long strange trip it ain't been!

My bad. However, none of the links here refer to the flood.

I guess, pretty soon, we'll have to start singing "Rise and Shine."
(Mods, please note, this song is in the public domain.)

Rise and Shine
(Children of the Lord)
(The Arky Arky Song)

Written By: Unknown
Copyright Unknown

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The Lord said to Noah:
There's gonna be a floody, floody
The Lord said to Noah:
There's gonna be a floody, floody
Get those children out of the muddy, muddy
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

Rise and shine
And give God the glory, glory
Rise and shine
And give God the glory, glory
Rise and shine
And give God the glory, glory
Children of the Lord

The Lord told Noah
To build him an arky, arky
The Lord told Noah
To build him an arky, arky
Build it out of gopher barky, barky
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

He called for the animals,
They came in by twosie, twosies
He called for the animals,
They came in by twosie, twosies
Elephants and kangaroosie, roosies
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

It rained and it poured
For forty daysie, daysies
It rained and it poured
For forty daysie, daysies
Almost drove those animals crazy, crazies,
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

Then Noah he sent out
He sent out a dovey dovey
Noah he sent out
He sent out a dovey dovey
Dovey said "There's clear skies abovey-bovey"
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

The sun came out and
It dried up the landy landy
The sun came out and
It dried up the landy landy
Everything was fine and dandy, dandy
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

The animals they came off
They came off by three-sies three-sies
Animals they came off
They came off by three-sies three-sies
Grizzly bears and chimpanzee-sies zee-sies
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

That is the end of,
The end of my story, story
That is the end of,
The end of my story, story
Everything is hunky dory, dory
Children of the Lord

CHORUS

Kind of says it all.

Still waiting, TonyN.

RED DAVE

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02-22-2007, 08:18 PM	#88
RED DAVE Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 10,532	According to Bishp Ussher, the flood occurred in 2348. This is in the reign of Teti at the beginning of the 6th Dynasty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pharaohs 6th Dynasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_dynasty_of_Egypt No break, TonyN. Still waiting for your reply. (If we're really lucky, we'll get a link to Ron Wyatt.) RED DAVE

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