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Old 06-07-2005, 12:08 PM   #11
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The way you described it, it is totally save. When it comes to that, there is no reason to not use it…

But, I wouldn’t use it when I’d have to walk to a special place (because there is like, just one of those machines). It should stand all over the world (like bus-stops).

And I would only use it when I would be teleported to a useful place so that I’m not standing in the middle of nowhere, not knowing where to go or what to do…

Also, it’s less healthy than walking or cycling orso… That could also be a reason for me to not use it But one time to try can always be nice of course
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Old 06-07-2005, 01:26 PM   #13
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I think the problem is: would one's consciousness be continuous from one's original body to one's reconstituted body?

It also poses a problem for soulist theories of mind: if mind is due to some non-material substance, would that substance be transmitted by the teleporter?

Teleportation ought to be familiar to many of you people from the Star Trek series as the Transporter device; I wonder why so little attention has been paid to the philosophical and theological implications of that device.
Hmmmmm......., you have certainly identified the deeper problem of this issue. That requires alot of thought.
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The reconstituted body would be indistinguishable from the original, by everyone, including itself.

The question remains whether the original "consciousness" or "sense of self" is carried over, or is annhilated with the original body.

I've kind of thought about doing a sci-fi piece about this, except it won't be teleportation, it would be uploading the brain contents of a dying man into a computer. The computer-man would argue that he couldn't tell the difference, and had carried on IM conversations with people who didn't know he had "died" and they couldn't tell the difference, etc, but everyone else is a little less comfortable.
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Assume that a teleportation device has been invented and built.
Its tested on animals and works 100%. That is: each animal is copied to the new position without any medical sideeffects. So the company starts to makes tests with humans. Assume that this also does not show any medical sideeffects when 1000 person has tested the teleporter.

Lets sketch the teleportation principle
1. The body at the orginal is "plankscanned". That is each quantumstate is registered.
2. A new body is created with the exact same quantumstates but at a different location.

The first question is : Would you dare to use this teleporting device?

Now there is step in the teleportation procedure that wasnt meantioned above: The "plankscanned" has a sideffect: it disintegrates the first body.

The second question is : Would you dare to use this teleporting device?
Where could I go that is beyond current portation?

Oh and couldn't we fix that whole sideffect thing and plankscan Angelina Jolie's to sale on e-bay? or something since we're exploring the possibilities and all.

Gathering together schematics here...

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Old 06-07-2005, 08:33 PM   #16
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"exact same quantumstates"? (under the assumption that this is actually possible)
Yes, I would dare enter the machine.

Now to change it a bit:
Your data is now sent to two different machines which each make "you."
You wake up.
What do you see?

Now to make the above experience really weird:
The two machines that your data is sent to are located in a perfectly symmetric room with the machines facing each other.
When you wake up what do you see and how do the next few moments play out with each of you seeing each other?

My friend and I have talked about this quite a bit and after a couple of hours of arguing about it the last time I finally got it. I think it would be one of the weirder experiences that might happen in a life-time.

Something else to think about:
If two, or more, of you are made through these teleportation machines. Who has the right to claim ownership of the property that is now in both of your's "name.?

And this has been brought up, probably multiple, times before. So you might want to try searching.
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This kind of machine is probably forbidden by Heisenberg uncertainty or something. You could get an approximate copy but it might be no better than an analog restore.
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This kind of machine is probably forbidden by Heisenberg uncertainty or something. You could get an approximate copy but it might be no better than an analog restore.
I think you might mean the no cloning theorem here. One of the implications being it also prevents superluminal messages via quantum entanglement (I just copied that last bit ).
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Is that my body or a replica of me? It's like cloning myself afer being killed (that's at least how I see it).
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Now to change it a bit:
Your data is now sent to two different machines which each make "you."
You wake up.
What do you see?
AFAIK, that scenario is impossible according to the current theories regarding teleportation. Something about only being able to exchange quantum states between pairs of entangled particles, or something, which means the original must be annihilated in order to make a copy, and only one copy can be made from one original. I never read up on the details.
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