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Old 08-04-2007, 11:37 AM   #591
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Old 08-04-2007, 11:40 AM   #592
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1) There is no scientific conspiracy. The scientists involved no doubt are thoroughly convinced of the truth of what they write.
I am glad to see that you have decided to apologize for this earlier statement:
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It is my theory that scientists obtain consilience (sort of) in dating because there is an agreed upon consensus out there that everyone shoehorns their dating results into.
I am sure the actual "I'm sorry I said that. I was wrong." just slipped your mind temporarily. I'll keep reminding you that you actually need to say it.

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However, you do not claim that a scientific conspiracy exists.

What, then, is your explanation for the conscillience?
1) There is no scientific conspiracy. The scientists involved no doubt are thoroughly convinced of the truth of what they write.

2) Consilience of what? Are you making the claim, as Constant Mews was, that the dates assigned to the Lake Suigetsu rhythmites are consilient with dendrochronology and coral dating and ice core dating? Is that what you are claiming? If so, please explain what in the world you mean. Where is the coral or the ice cores or the tree rings that had anything to do with Suigetsu?
I don't swear often Dave. But FUCK.
Not only have people explained this to you ad nauseum but they have shown graphs, charts, doodles, books, and every other piece of fucking evidence you could think of to describe the consiliant nature of the different dating methods.
The primary method is with vulcanism. We know when volcanoes erupted in modern and ancient times. We even have some weather correllations that are documented.
When Vesuvius blew its top we have some Vesuvius dust in ice cores in Greenland. "How?" do you say? By fucking testing the dust at the 79AD (or what the experimenters think is the 79AD point) in the ice core and verifying that the chemical composition of this dust is the same as the ash field found in fucking Sardinia (airborne volcanic dust is different in composition than the actual paraclastic flows). But you still stick your ignorant neck out and say "But there could be other sources of that dust or other times when Vesuvius blew its top." Well Sherlock, what do you think a database is used for. Why do scientists test different layers. Each volcanic eruption event has chemical markers that make its ejecta unique from other events even from the same mountain.
So what does this mean for consilliance? Just that the dust layer in the Greenland ice core can now be "NAILED DOWN" to 79AD. And also since the scientists know how many years back to 79AD it is (simple arithmatic) they can also verify that their counting method of layers is valid (one layer every year).
So how does a dendrochronologist work this magic? Why the same fucking way by looking at known historic events that can affect the tree ring. The year without a summer from Krakatoa is a classic marker for dendro counters. And it also shows that the one ring per year standard is supported because on a living 500 year old tree you only need to count back 191 rings to find the narrow ring related to 1816 Krakatoa event.
So how does a Lake Varve specialist use this consiliance thing? Well, you should start and get the idea, but you probably won't. :Cheeky:

You disappoint me Dave. You are so deep into the intellectual gutter that I fear there is no getting out for you anymore.
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Bump so that Dave doesn't neglect to address the point I made above.

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Bump so that Dave doesn't neglect to address the point I made above.

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I'm glad you said which color. Otherwise I would have missed it too.
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Yeah. It was hidden in among the blue background. I almost missed it. But fortunately I kept scrolling down until it found me.

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Trouble is, he's not only got the mutual consilience issue to deal with, but the fact that, in accordance with good scientific practice, dating metrics that were directly testable upon material of known historical provenance have been thus tested in order to ensure that the theory is sound. That's the first basic step. If the theory is all to cock, then it'll fall at that hurdle. Which means that Dave has to answer how on earth dating metrics can give correct answers for material of known historical provenance, yet all be wrong on unknown material, AND all wrong in such a manner as to yield the SAME errors, despite being based upon wildly differing physical phenomena. I shall posit here that before Dave provides such an answer, the bowels of Hades will be opening liquid Helium spas and offering solid nitrogen ice lollies on sticks.
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Bumpity bump.

Dave's last activity on IIDB was 7:24 this morning. No response to the green words, to no one's surprise.
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...What? You think dave paid attention to your posts?
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