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Old 01-01-2008, 12:25 AM   #11
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Acts 10

Peter's Vision

9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.


But in fact, it was Paul who preached against the retention of the Jewish laws, and rebuked Peter, who under the influence of James stopped sharing his meals with the gentiles (according to Paul's letters.)

But it appears that your relative does not understand that Jews do not believe in the Christian Bible?
Dang, so it was a real quote I guess the Bible is ever weirder than I had thought
No Potoooooooo, it was not a real quote, a real "quote" must be carefully conformed to the text, as in many instances the omission of, or the addition of, or the substitution of a word, or sometimes even a single letter, can completely alter the original sense and intent of the quotation.
Moreover very few "quotes" are intended to be removed from the context in which they were presented, as oft is the case, a quote taken out of context becomes a pretext: used as a "proof text" to "prove" an erroneous assertion.
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Over the past weekend while visiting my great-aunt I came across a more distant elderly relative how is the epitome of the southern evangelical. While trying to think of something to say i told them about some catering work I did for a Jewish weeding and all the kosher dietary laws that were required. My evangelical relative chimed in "Thats all foolish! In the bible it says.........
Your elderly evangical relative has evidently either not understood, or has forgotten, to walk in the counsel of these verses;

King James Version (KJV) Romans - Chapter 14
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Rom 14:1 ΒΆ Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.

But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

For meat destroy not the work of God.
All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.

[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
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1Cr 9:19 For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;*

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some.
*To become as a Jew, is to engage in practice of those customs that most distinguish and identify Jews as being Jews, principally the Laws of Kosher, and of Sabbaths. Not in a slavish adherence to legalism, but in a humane and compassionate respect to the sensibilities of honest souls who were raised under the customs of the Mosaic Law. Even as you yourself did so do in preparing a wedding feast in accord with the sensibilities of them who were sensitive to, and careful in the obedience to the dictates of their customs and consciences.
It was not necessary that you yourself were so persuaded, but that you did not despise nor offend these souls simply for the sake of their having different tastes or customs relating to the preparations of, or the consumption of certain foods, than you.
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