Quetzalcoatl

Your friendly, inquisitive god Quetzalcoatl back with more thoughts.

Is the problem of evil a problem for theists? It seems like the problem of evil is a popular argument that is used against the theist who believe in the two most popular monotheistic gods. After learning math from the Greek god Apollo I can tell you that all problems are evil. I am sure that some posters here can attest to that fact if they have the courage to recall their high school days. In its simple form the recipe goes like this. An all powerful, all around good god would not let his people suffer. There are some Omni’s thrown in to give flavour and a dash of propositional logic to compound the statements into components or was it to avoid the consequence of the antecedent. Now I need my anti depressants . Since I skipped class that day to meet with Aphrodite the Greek goddess of love and beauty I am not too conversant in this subject. Are you familiar with the phrase “oh my god�? uttered after a “roll in the hay�?? Not to sing my own praises, my followers are all gone, but this started that day after I skipped that class……. Ah yes, the point of this post.

There are various solutions offered to this problem:
1.)The “blame the victim response�? commonly known as the “free will defense�?. Basically it says it is the fault of humans. They were created good but made the choice to be morally cognizant. This apparently is bad so the gods punished the world with evil. In sophisticated theologies this is called the original sin; I think Angelina Jolie plays a leading role in this.
2.)The “I don’t know what’s evil but I know what’s evil response�? commonly known as the unknown purpose defense. In simple terms it states that evil is defined as what the gods do not like. If you want to be sophisticated you use phrases like “objective morality grounded in his transcendent nature�?, it impresses the natives. Since one cannot know the mind of the gods then one cannot assert what the gods think. So one cannot know what evil is, yet these same people claim that they do know what evil is and sometimes take steps to prevent it, thwarting the will of the gods. To be fair though they make back up for it committing various atrocities in the name of their gods. Even Ares the god of war was shocked by some of their deeds.

Knowing Yawheh personally I can tell you that these defenses are not needed. Yahweh is a liar. It’s simple as that. Well maybe not that simple, some of his followers are also not telling the truth some through ignorance and some through sheer malice.

Consider Saddam Hussein. There are those of his priesthood/cabinet that say he is a generous leader. There were even children that use to sing about his charity. There is also abundant evidence to show that he committed atrocities. Can we infer he does not exist? No we can’t although we receive contradictory messages from his followers and priesthood. We can infer certain things though: he is a liar and at least a segment of his followers or that some of his followers/priesthood may be mistaken. Same with Yahweh.

One can search his holy text and see instances of this. His priesthood, followers claim he doesn’t want to mess with human’s free will. Nonsense! Look at pharaoh, not even Aton could stop him from hardening pharaoh’s heart. Free will my plumes. Aton still gets teased for this for those of you all you are curious.

What about the UPD? Yahweh doesn’t have any unknown purpose. He has made it clear to the Jews. Worship me because I created you. It is the same with his son Yeshua, worship me or be punished. I understand that worshipers of these deities don’t want to accept that this is the god they worship but I implore you read his text with an open mind.

His Noodly Appendage

Quezecoatal (may I call you queezy?)

You're one of the cooler gods I've met; are there any benefits to be gained from killing things, burning things and/or telling you how utterly great you are on a regular basis? If so, would it involve killing anyone I like?

Oh, and is Xoacoatl a relative of yours? My wife worships (him? her?) on a monthly basis, despite being a follower of Mr. Four Letter Word. Please do pass on our deepest regards.

Quetzalcoatl

No you may not. It seems no one has respect for the gods anymore.

Well it depends on what you burn or kill. I was never into that human sacrifice thing. I tried to get the Aztecs to stop it but the Yahweh followers put a stop to that experiment. If you can get the Australian cricket team to stop beating up on the West Indies I might look into giving you a bountiful harvest or something.

Ah chocolate, I think

So what are you thoughts on the OP posts?

Ojuice5001

This consideration doesn't solve the problem of evil, but in a different context it's a good point. Namely, theists (and atheists) need to remember even if the gods aren't innocent, neither are we. No matter what anyone else's problems are, we should still be humble about our own rather than self-righteous about theirs.


Again, it doesn't solve the problem of evil, but it does remind us that we can't expect the gods to always agree with us about what's good and what's bad. If you follow that line of thinking long enough, you get to relative morality, the contrary of "objective morality grounded in his transcendent nature." You don't have to bring the gods into it either; apes have a moral sense as well, but they don't see anything wrong with not feeding someone else's starving baby. The gods' morality could easily be that different from ours. Notice that humans and apes can still be friends, but shouldn't try too hard to imitate each other; likewise, humans and gods can still be friends, but we need to take care of ourselves, to understand human morality first and nonhuman morality only afterwards.

I would add that like his followers, he sometimes does evil thinking it is good. Other times he really is doing good, but most often he is pursuing the divine enterprise of competing for power over the world.

True.

I can believe that. Both the part about Yahweh not taking free will seriously, and Aton still getting teased about how the Jews' exodus from Egypt turned out (however accurate or inaccurate the Bible's account may be).

Oh, he has an unknown purpose, all right. So does Donald Rumsfeld. Doesn't mean that either of them is particularly trustworthy.

Quetzalcoatl

I can tell you that Yahweh is not too pleased in being called a liar. Neither is his son Yeshua. The Ghost is also in therapy, sleeping with ones own mother does that do you. Since I know it would not be easy to convince his followers of this I am taking my time gathering the evidence. Stay tuned to this thread. Anyway, that’s enough about the realm.

As I have argued the problem of evil does not disprove the existence of Yahweh. It just means that he and his spokespeople are being lenient with the truth. What the POE shows though is that Christian theology is incoherent and inconsistent. It shows that all those Omni characteristics that are attributed to Yahweh are mere boasts. It’s like children arguing that their father can beat up your father. Same thing the Jews did. They were under the captivity of the Babylonians and wanted their god to beat up the Babylonian gods. It was a big pissing contest; unfortunately they were pissing into the wind….

This is an excellent point. Humans seem to think that the gods do care about them. An agricultural society has farming gods, an oppressed society has gods of vengeance, a sea faring society has gods of the sea. Some will say the obvious conclusion is that the gods are made up, that’s another discussion altogether. Let’s just say that humans assign characteristics to their gods that will help them in some way. Makes you wonder about those that are trying to sell a god that would torture for eternity.

Consider the Greek society: If you were a poet then Erato would be your god. If you were an environmentalist then Gaia would be your choice, Love war then Ares the guy etc. In a monotheistic society such options are not available, but humans being creative and with the help of the Muses found a way. They just redefine god how they would like. You are a liberal kind of guy then so is your god. You see the world in black and white then you define the fundie god. So what about those nice folks you preach hellfire? Do they really?
I know a lot of people who deconverted because of that doctrine. They refuse to serve such a god.

Followers of Yahweh, Yeshua and his Ghosts, why do you follow gods that do not keep their promises? Why have you sided with the gods against your own species?

Quetzalcoatl

So why would Yahweh lie? First one needs to understand that Yahweh has self-confidence issues. So now let’s look at some of the lies of Yahweh.

1.) He claims to have created the universe single-handedly.
Look at exodus 20 where he tells his followers to rest because he created the world in six days. This is not true since if we read genesis we see he had the help of Baal and Ashtoreth. Later on he tried his best to discredit them even punishing his followers for worshiping Baal.
http://www.infidels.org/library/maga...1/1poly94.html
He is not even the head god of his pantheon. Look at Deut 32:7-9:
“Remember the ancient days;
bear in mind the years of past generations.

Ask your father and he will inform you,
your elders and they will tell you.

When the most high god gave the nations their inheritance,
when he divided up mankind,

he set the boundaries of the peoples,
according to the number of the sons of El.

For Yahweh’s allotment is his people,
Jacob is the portion of his inheritance�?

He was only given control of the Jews!
Liar, Liar pants on fire!

2.) He claims to have freed the Jews from Egypt Now this is one delusional god. That must have being quite a miracle since the Jews were never slaves in Egypt. Does he have no sense of decency?
Liar, liar pants on fire.


3.) That he cares for all humans.
Now this is the most flamboyant of his lies. Read his holy script. It is clear he is an ego maniac who just wants his ego stroked. Why don’t people see trough his lies?
Liar, Liar pants on fire.

Some claim his son is better. Really?
He promised his followers that he would come back in his lifetime. Well I checked and all of them are dead. He is actually in the realm partying it up with Dionysus. He ain’t coming back people, Wake up!


Well maybe the Ghost better? Well it turns out he is one big practical joker. He promised to help his followers find the truth. It turns out he gave all of them a different version of the truth and sat back to watch the confusion, the prankster. It’s his favourite joke at parties.

There is no problem of evil. Yahweh does not have the properties he claims.

So again followers of Yahweh, Yeshua and the Ghost why have you committed treason against your species to side with egotistical, lying gods