EGGO

Not corners. I don't think anybody can ever see that as metaphorical ever.

Are you telling me that they said such things back then? "I'll follow you to the ends of the earth?"

Because definately, corners can never cut it.
"Let's go to the corners of the earth"
Nope, not workin for my head. Anybody else's?

"And the corners of the earth collapsed"
Still nothing in a 'figurative' sense...

"And the angels were seen on all 4 corners of the earth"
What? No, how is that figurative?

Magus55

"And they traveled to the 4 corners of the Earth" Sounds just like great distances to me. How would you convey traveling to the farthest distances of the Earth?

EGGO

"They travelled far and wide". I know I've seen that more than what you said.

So how do you know it's figurative speech? We're still all waiting on the "rules of the book" when it's spoken in a figurative sense, and in a literal sense. If you read what you say is figurative and literal, it really sounds like you're trying your best to make up any excuse to keep the bible alive in your heart.

Magus55

Context. Figurative and literal understanding is based on the context in which the verse is written.

beyelzu

I meant geocentric but had a brain fart. the rest of the post stands



as to the round earth, got any proof about all these people who knew it was round in 40 ad???

demoninho

The first heliocentric model was proposed somewhere around 270 bC by a Greek working in Alexandria IIRC his idea didn't really catch on though and was forgotten . Aristarchus according to wikipedia

Bede

Literate people is what I said. This subject has been done to death on these boards. The fact the earth was a sphere was realised before Aristotle and accepted by every literate person in the Mediterrean basin by 40AD. It continued to be accepted (with very few exceptions - we know of one) by all literate Europeans from then on.

Try this: The Myth of the Flat Earth

or this from a noted scholar: Russell on the Flat Earth

Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason

Bede

Literate people is what I said. This subject has been done to death on these boards. The fact the earth was a sphere was realised before Aristotle and accepted by every literate person in the Mediterrean basin by 40AD. It continued to be accepted (with very few exceptions - we know of one) by all literate Europeans from then on.

Try this: The Myth of the Flat Earth

or this from a noted scholar: Russell on the Flat Earth

Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason

Bede

Nogo,

Have you really learnt nothing in all our discussions? I can take your still being stuck on Galileo but the fact you are still preaching the flat earth myth is just depressing.

I said literate people and I was right.

The hebrews wrote their bible - they weren't just inspired by it. I am happy to accept that they believed the earth was flat as their literature outside the bible shows. But gentiles knew the earth was a sphere and this includes Christians. Beyelzu's point was that literate people in 40AD did know the Earth was a sphere (correct) but he falsely believed people in the Middle Ages thought it was flat. I have shown him that he is wrong.

This is utter crap Nogo. The reason this Greek work survived was because Christians preserved it. How many times do I have to make this point? Here, again, is the article on the Survival of Pagan Literature.

Nope. The Arabs preserved stuff in arabic translation. The originals were preserved in Christian Byzantium.

So that meant the metaphysical environment was condusive to science. This is why modern science arose there and not in China, India, Islam Japan or Ancient Greece.

Read this about Copernicus: Copernicus and his Revolutions. As you have read no scholarshiop at all I am surprised you feel able to make such sweeping statements.

Which is why Christians and not ancient Greeks produced modern science? Sorry Nogo, but you need Christianity and Greek philosophy in order to have modern science. You can't dump on religion as without it we would still be in the Middle Ages.

Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason

NOGO

You bore me.


Most Rabbis that I know are literate. In 40 Ad I would be surprized if they believed that the earth was a sphere thus contradicting the Bible.


In 40 AD Hebrews were inspired by their Bible. Their ancesters wrote it. It is not just the literature outside the Bible which shows that they believed the earth to be flat, the Bible says so as well.

Sure and that is why it was reintroduced in Europe through the Arabs.

Nonsense!
Religious myth is not condusive to science. When are you going to learn. I gave you a good example which I will repeat at the end for your benefit.

I have discussed Copernicus with you before. It was clear to me that you had no idea of what Copernicus did.

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One day as he was teaching about the five geometric shapes Kepler has a brilliant idea. He made a connection - five shapes - five planets. He believed that God had revealed the secret working of the universe. Kepler tried to fit the five shapes between the planet orbits without success. He published a paper on the subject.

He then went to work for Tycho. After Tycho's death in 1601 Kepler obtained access to all of his data. Thanks to Tycho who insisted that you had to start with data and develop theory after Kepler did some real science. But when it was all done and after he had discovered the three laws of planetary motions Kepler returned to the five shapes and worked on this ridiculous idea for the rest of his life.

Why?

I submit that the religious man put revelation first above putting data to mathematical curves. These two things have nothing to do with each other. One can NEVER lead to the other. It's that simple. One is made of dreams while the other is made of hard work.

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