spin

Don't you ever get tired of spouting someone else's blunders? You know Cyrus was responsible for the downfall of Babylon and Ugbaru was his general, so Astyages is irrelevant (also considering he had an alliance with Babylon).

I've recommended you go to a good library rather than trawling rubbish web sites to get decent information about Daniel and history. Fools who wish to justify their beliefs by putting up web sites based on the conclusions they desire are a waste of your time.


spin

makerowner

That's your source? Really? You seriously think that helps your argument? It's a page of notes from 100-year-old apologetics works! This adds no credibility to your argument. It actually reduces the credibility of your argument, since you obviously can't find any better sources.

makerowner

This is 100% speculation. "Oh Babylon wasn't captured by Darius the Mede? Well maybe the guy who captured it was actually called Darius, even though we have no sources to indicate that he was. And maybe his father's name was Xerxes, and maybe he was a Mede. Problem solved!"

arnoldo

It's not speculation, the history of over 2500 years is not as simple as you think.

Anyway this archaelogical evidence states that Ugbaru/Gobryas died shortly after entering Babylon.

In the month of Arahsamna, on the night of the eleventh, Gobryas died.

Toto

I don't buy the articles on that site that endorse Velisovsky, or the Bible Code. The site hasn't been updated in four years - perhaps the predictions did not come true?

spin

See this earlier post.

(Akk.) Ugbaru = (Akk.) Gubaru = (Greek) Gobryas.

Ugbaru (read the link), the functionary who received Babylon but died a few months later [ETA: the tablet is a little unclear and it may even have been a few weeks later] may or may not have been the same as the one responsible for some building in Babylon, but it isn't particularly important either way. There was another Gubaru [Pers.: Gaubaruva] in the time of Darius.

Claiming that "Darius the Mede" is really Ugbaru is like me claiming that Ronald Reagan is really George Washington: just as his vice president was John Adams (ie GHW Bush) who became president, Adams's son (GW Bush) also became president and John Adams (GHW Bush) was defeated by Thomas Jefferson (ie William Jefferson Clinton).

Will you now oscillate back to the just as ridiculous theory that Ugbaru was Astyages? Why don't you just admit your folly and go to a library rather than continuing to be a willing dupe of religious nutters?


spin

arnoldo

Ok, Ugbaru dies after entering Babylon and now we have Gobryas ( Gubaru?) made the king of Baylon.

arnoldo

Not really, Cyrus's mother was a Mede. Prophecy fulfilled

Mandane, Cyrus’ mother, was the daughter of king Astyages, who was the last emperor of the Median dynastic empire (728-550BCE).

arnoldo

Yeah, that was not a good site. Regardless archaelogical evidence clearly states that Ugbaru died, thus Spin's claims( (Akk.) Ugbaru = (Akk.) Gubaru = (Greek) Gobryas.) are bogus.

Sheshonq

1. Not king. Military governor.

2. Which in any event means that we know who was put in charge over Babylon and -- as I have been telling you repeatedly -- it was not "Darius the Mede." It was Gobryas.