PoodleLovinPessimist

From Exodus:

Interestingly enough, there's no mention of stone tablets in Chapters 19 or 20. Did Moses forget?

That's 10 so far, but the list goes on...
Four more in Chapter 20... On to Chapter 21...

I think we can stop counting when we get to the rules on selling your daughter into slavery.

Silent Acorns gives the second set that's inconsistent with the first. (And, by the way, who wrote them? Yahweh (34:1) or Moses (34:27)?)

But how can you talk about Exodus 34 without mentioning the segue!?

sourdough

Im guessing its b/c people have ten fingers,so they can easily remember the comandments by counting on their fingers

Yahzi

That's rather the point: your precious 10 commandents never said anything about slavery, either.

Picking up sticks on the Sabbath is an offense worthy of death; enslaving another human being and his children for perpetuity doesn't even rate a mention in your top ten list.

Dust

Hmmm, lets see…Adultery and rape. How are they similar? This is kindergarten stuff people. You can do it.

There are many reasons for each commandment. Not “exactly the same�?, different reasons for each…so what? They are the same.

Yes a third account. Actually the second, and the Deuteronomy 5:7 is the third. In which, beginning Deuteronomy 5:7 is merely a “recollection�? of them, and not defining them or redefining them.

I suppose you would like to take the tenth commandment and break it up just serve your purpose, right?

(17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's.")

I can just hear the atheists now, “Hey isn’t that seven commandments instead of one.�?

Of course they are. Yahweh worshippers believe that you should live by every word that he speaks.

The point is…there were only ten on the stones. The OP was asking why…I answered…and here we are.

Moses didn’t receive the stones until the end of chapter 30. Then…Chapter 34 verse 1…

“The LORD said to Moses, "Cut two tables of stone like the first; and write upon the tables the words that were on the first tables, which you broke.�?

Then…Chapter 34 verse 28…

“And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.�?

No, it doesn’t go on concerning the law of the covenant. It stops at ten.

Those are ordinances. Not part of the law of the covenant, the ten commandments.
You can say they are all day long and it won’t change it. Your only serving your own bias opinion.

And as far as the daughter thing…think about the word IF, at the start of that. And get all the crackers mistreating the blacks, out of your head…it was a different time.

God wrote them the first time, and God told Moses to write them the second time.
Keep searching…keep picking…a prosecutor like you, is bound to find something, somewhere, sometime. And with your measure, it will be measured to you.

Hmm lets see…if you love God…and love others as yourself………..just T-H-I-N-K about it for a second.
Yeah, I’d say love is a very precious thing…too bad you don’t seem to feel the same way.

Well, judging from the teachings of Jesus, it appears that many misunderstood the law…as it appears today, obviously.
Haven’t come very far have we?

Silent Acorns

Is your comment "How are they similar" meant to be sarcastic? You do realize that it's possible to commit rape without commiting adultery, right?
Wrong. I don't care about whether or not there are 9, 10, 11, or 17 commandments. The thing is that the list in Exodus 34 is the 10 commandments. Consider the next two verses after God says "You shalt not boil a kid in his mother's milk":

Ex 34:27 - And the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
Ex 34:28 - And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Note that this is the first time the phrase "the ten commandments" is used. The other two occurances are in Deuteronomy and are in recollection. Nowhere in the bible does it say what the first, second, third, etc. commandments are. Instead we get a long list of commandments in Exodus 20 that are much later reffered to as "the ten commandments", it's up to the reader to infer where to start each new commandment. I agree that the Exodus 20 list is fairly obvious where each begins (not that this matters much) but the Exodus 34 list is not as clear. But since Exodus calls them "the ten commandments" one must do what one can to get a list of 10.

AJ113

Cut the crap and answer the question. This continued unreasoned sarcasm is doing nothing to advance your cause.

Yahzi

You are asserting that the commandment to love god and each other automatically includes a prohibition against slavery so obvious it doesn't need mentioned? But killing, stealing, and lying about them are not obvious extensions of loving God and each other?

How did you reach this conclusion? Where did I indicate that I was against love?

Then Jesus was an abject failure. If his goal was to explain God's will, then by your own admission he failed. Do you suppose God could be bothered to send us a competent messiah who could actually explain God's laws in a way we can understand and follow them?

But of course, you understand the laws perfectly well. You know which words and ideas to insert into the sentences to make them make sense. You know that when the Bible says remarriage, eating shellfish, and wearing mixed fabrics are abominations that deserve death, it's just grumpy old men talking; but when the Bible says homosexuals are an abomination and deserve death, that's God's direct voice.

(Note: I don't know if you actually object to homosexuals; if not, substitute any other random God-command).

Dust

Yes it was.

Matthew 5:28 - But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

You do realize that…right?

LoL then why are you here, arguing with me?

He said many things, yes. It being the first time the phrase “ten commandments�? was use is without consequence. It was used.

*Accessing common sense*…umm…how about the FIRST TEN mentioned starting Exodus 20……..yep, that works.

Besides…

Luke 18:20 - You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'"

Matthew 22:37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 22:38 This is the great and first commandment.
Matthew 22:39 - And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Wait…oh my gosh…their not in the same order….OHHH what to do, what to do?!?!?!

True.

And it ain’t that hard….look, I did it in five minutes, and I’m not even a Christian, Jew or even a muslim. LoL.

Didn’t start it…just tryin’ to finish it.

Mike Rosoft

Is your comment "How are they similar" meant to be sarcastic? You do realize that it's possible to commit rape without commiting adultery, right?

Or that according to the Bible, consensual sex with a woman married or engaged to another man is to be punished with death for both (Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22-24); rape of an engaged (or, presumedly, married) woman is to be punished by death for the man only (Deuteronomy 22:25-26) - and it is apparently an amazing discovery that a raped woman is not to be executed; rape of an unmarried woman is to be "punished" with a fine and marrying the victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29), which is also a punishment for consensual sex with an unmarried woman (Exodus 22:16-17); and rape of a spouse is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.


Mike Rosoft

Dust

Sorry bout that, I missed yours.

No. Slavery was not prohibited. But apply the commandments to the existing slavery and you pretty much have the relationship that you have with your employer. Just a little different back then, it was like…3000 years ago or so…ya know?

I was just bein’ a butt.

Hmm, I’m here…I see it…I showed it in the bible in my last post. Failure? I don’t think so. He’s only a failure if he gives up on YOU.

Blah…typical atheist response. Perfectly? I doubt it. Better than you? I’m sure of it.

Well…

Luke 16:18 - "Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

John 8:7 - And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

And I couldn’t find the parts that says mixed fabrics and eating shellfish are abominations that deserve death. Ya sure your not trying’ to fib just a bit?
But by the way Jesus handled the case of adultery, I am reluctant to think what your claiming is so.

Verses please?

Yeah, I’m against homosexuality…it just doesn’t seem natural,…you know…the equipment just isn’t made for each other. But that’s their business, not mine. But that’s another topic let’s not derail.

Anyway, it could have been God’s direct voice or might not have.

Or I could play with the idea of “shall be put to death�? like an apologetic and say,

“Shall be�? is not being given an order, take it a face value and see the difference such as in the verse…
Leviticus 20:15 - If a man lies with a beast, he shall be put to death; and you shall kill the beast.

Notice the difference “He shall be�? and “you shall kill�?. “

But I don’t need to do that. I have the TEN COMMANDMENTS that I know is written to have come straight from God’s voice…and it says…THOU SHALL NOT KILL! :wide:

SO…as I said…�?The Ten Commandments contain all that is necessary, and no more than this is necessary.�?

Good day gentlemen.