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Old 03-16-2006, 07:30 PM   #221
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Why don't you explain it to us? I see a huge difference.
This really started out as someone objecting to one point in the deductive arguement I was outlining that proves Chistianity is true and everything contrary to it is false. I didn't intend to start argueing the creation evolution point here. This could be moved to that forum if you want. In addition, once you establish the resurrection, I have a feeling that the rest of the arguement would be accepted without too much resistence. Having said that a quick answer to your question is that if you think everything started with a big bang, matter just randomly exploded everywhere and there really isn't much difference between the matter that ended up forming a rock and that forming a person. It still got there by a random explosion. I think that concept is rather ridiculous. A non-random designer is much more logical and scientific.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:35 PM   #222
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Your characterizations are not correct just because you say they are correct. You are basically presenting an Argument from Authority and claiming to be the authority.
I don't know that I am claiming to be an authority. I just think the point I am making is so obvious that everyone can see it if they are honest, you included. Honesty is what is required. True it may take a while to change a position that has been drilled into your head by those in authority (teachers) from a young age, but honest investigation will take care of it.

However, in one sense you are right. I am presenting truths from the Bible which God inspired. He is the authority and I have supreme confidence in this position. I don't think I have arrived at this conclusion because I am so great. I'm not. God just graciously opened my eyes. Don't ask me why. I don't know why he was so gracious to me.
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:33 PM   #223
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I don't know that I am claiming to be an authority. I just think the point I am making is so obvious that everyone can see it if they are honest, you included. Honesty is what is required. True it may take a while to change a position that has been drilled into your head by those in authority (teachers) ETA pastors, from a young age, but honest investigation will take care of it.
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:34 PM   #224
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I don't know that I am claiming to be an authority. I just think the point I am making is so obvious that everyone can see it if they are honest, you included. Honesty is what is required. True it may take a while to change a position that has been drilled into your head by those in authority (teachers) from a young age, but honest investigation will take care of it.

However, in one sense you are right. I am presenting truths from the Bible which God inspired. He is the authority and I have supreme confidence in this position. I don't think I have arrived at this conclusion because I am so great. I'm not. God just graciously opened my eyes. Don't ask me why. I don't know why he was so gracious to me.
Actually, he's claiming that the authority has made him the authority. I think that would be the Argument from Authority by Proxy.
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Old 03-17-2006, 02:50 AM   #225
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I am presenting truths from the Bible which God inspired. He is the authority
Aside from your say-so, why should I believe that God had any involvement with the Bible's writing?
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Old 03-17-2006, 02:35 PM   #226
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Aside from your say-so, why should I believe that God had any involvement with the Bible's writing?
The evidence is overwhelming. Go back to my earlier post for my quick summary and then search out the evidence yourself.
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Old 03-18-2006, 06:45 AM   #227
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Go back to my earlier post for my quick summary
This thread is over 220 posts long now. Must I reread all of them in order to get an answer to my question, or can you tell me which one you're referring to?
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This thread is over 220 posts long now. Must I reread all of them in order to get an answer to my question, or can you tell me which one you're referring to?
Here, let me summarize his position and evidence for you:

"God did it because the Bible says so...."
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This thread is over 220 posts long now. Must I reread all of them in order to get an answer to my question, or can you tell me which one you're referring to?
#3214662 / #195
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This link will take you directly to the referenced post.

This link will take you to my response to that post which soundly refutes a fundamental assertion made in the aforementioned post.

Started a thread in E/C yet, aChristian?
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