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Biff the unclean · 01-26-2007, 06:43 PM

This thread has been set up for all those who wish to continue the fascinating discussion begun by Classical in this now-closed thread. Enjoy! - windsofchange

We are still waiting for Classical to finish reading his book about mysticism and get back to us with questions based on it. 'Til then we are keeping this thread alive and having a few laughs at Calvins expense.

Classical · 01-26-2007, 07:22 PM

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We are still waiting for Classical to finish reading his book about mysticism and get back to us with questions based on it. 'Til then we are keeping this thread alive and having a few laughs at Calvins expense.

Oh, my dear me!! How I miss all of you!

I've caught up and I PROMISE (so help me, Beethoven!!) I will begin discussing Wilbur early next week.

I just can't get over how busy I've suddenly become. I cannot keep up with the phone calls, emails, students coming from all over the place to study with me - let alone my New Year's resolutions of going to the gym daily to perfect my six-pack. I just can't keep up with everything!! And my Liszt piece I have to perform in October is not getting anywhere.

I have decided this week that I have to get up at 5AM instead of 6:30 to try to fit everything in. I REALLY want to discuss this mysticism as I am completely convinced and have many reasons to be. I just need time to explain.

Classical

PS1: I just saw James Randi on Larry King. Just a big old heartless skeptic not willing to considering anything but iron-clad, rock solid proof. No imagination.

PS2: Hey Tim: I will get you tickets but it's almost two years away. By the way, I've been reading the NT lately and have decided that Jesus was definitely a mystic. The Kingdom of God is within.......just along the lines I've been thinking.

And Tim: would you PLEASE quit picking on gays and drunks? You know d*** well those are two of my favorite sins.

HUGS everyone!!

Yahzi · 01-26-2007, 09:01 PM

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I will begin discussing Wilbur early next week.

[sound of knives being sharpened]

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PS1: I just saw James Randi on Larry King. Just a big old heartless skeptic not willing to considering anything but iron-clad, rock solid proof. No imagination.

Actually, he's tiny... he's like four feet tall.

sharon45 · 01-26-2007, 09:20 PM

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PS1: I just saw James Randi on Larry King. Just a big old heartless skeptic not willing to considering anything but iron-clad, rock solid proof. No imagination.

You mean he is not willing to be conned.

Biff the unclean · 01-26-2007, 10:10 PM

Classical, he is the Amazing Randi a top magician. He has so much imagination that he can see through just about any bullshite.
The gullible are the ones who lack imagination because they are too dim to see how any of this nonsense can be anything other than it seems.

DBT · 01-26-2007, 11:18 PM

There is a vast difference between considering the merits of a propostion, and believing it to be factual on the basis of personal appeal.

Arctish · 01-27-2007, 01:25 AM

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... I have never seen a instance in which Biblical morality was shown to be superior to humanist morality.

If YOU are your own judge, then SURELY you will deem your morality the best (and that morality can be whatever you, or society, or the next generation, etc. wants - be it against homosexuality one day, for it the next, against it in one location, or for it in another, etc.). The point, however, is that you are not the judge, but God is, and while you seek to set yourself up as judge, this will prove no better for you in the heavenly court than when criminals seek to assert this in human courts.

Nice try, but not only does the need for a standard for morality prove yu wrong, but so will providence and future judgment!

Prove me wrong about what?

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I have never seen a instance in which Biblical morality was shown to be superior to humanist morality. Rather, I have seen many instances in which Biblical morality was shown to be inferior to humanist morality. And I have never seen nor heard of an instance where declining to use reasoning and intellect yielded better results than the opposite.

This is the TRUTH. These are truthful statements about my personal experience.

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I use reason, empathy, and past experience to discern the correct moral choice. I investigate, ponder, question, and contemplate. I seek advice from those I respect, and apply the Golden Rule.

This is also the TRUTH. This is the methodology I employ when making moral choices. You say I am trying to set myself up as a judge. But, if I am faced with a moral choice, I have to judge between options in order to decide which course of action is the most morally correct. I'm not trying to set myself up as a judge, it is necessary for me to judge. You berate me for it, but I have no idea why. Am I not supposed to try to figure out the right thing to do?

This absolutely baffles me. I do not have the ability to make moral choices without judging the rightness or wrongness of the various options. I mean, I suppose I could just guess, or perhaps thoughtlessly pick an option and go with it, or just do what others tell me to do, but that isn't being moral . That would be amoral, at best.

Please explain this to me. Why is choosing morality good but judging morality bad? And why am I berated for noticing the TRUTH of my personal experiences?

Yahzi · 01-27-2007, 12:25 PM

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the Amazing Randi & imagination

I assumed Classical was being ironic...

Biff the unclean · 01-27-2007, 05:38 PM

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I assumed Classical was being ironic...

Remember the words of Felix Unger about assuming anything.

ELECTROGOD · 01-27-2007, 05:51 PM

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I just saw James Randi on Larry King. Just a big old heartless skeptic not willing to considering anything but iron-clad, rock solid proof. No imagination.

Thanks for mentioning that, I turned on the TV just in time to see the 5am last showing of the program.
Those "psychics" are just so damn annoying with their bold claims, constant evasion and loud, manic laughter directed toward anyone challenging them.
I don't think that "heartless" describes Randi at all. It does describe the "psychics" who are practicing and promoting their scam, however.

01-26-2007, 06:43 PM	#1
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Classical's Shocking Announcement, Part II This thread has been set up for all those who wish to continue the fascinating discussion begun by Classical in this now-closed thread. Enjoy! - windsofchange We are still waiting for Classical to finish reading his book about mysticism and get back to us with questions based on it. 'Til then we are keeping this thread alive and having a few laughs at Calvins expense.

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Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Classical, he is the Amazing Randi a top magician. He has so much imagination that he can see through just about any bullshite. The gullible are the ones who lack imagination because they are too dim to see how any of this nonsense can be anything other than it seems.

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DBT Contributor Join Date: May 2003 Location: ɹǝpunuʍop puɐן ǝɥʇ Posts: 17,906	There is a vast difference between considering the merits of a propostion, and believing it to be factual on the basis of personal appeal.

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