Duvduv

How often in the story does this Jesus invoke his status as the incarnated Word or Logos per the introduction?

aa5874

Please, answer the question. Tell us how to identify a "Logos Creature".

I have already shown you that your claims are in error.

In gJohn, Jesus The Logos was God and was made Flesh.

The Johanine Jesus did claim, "I and My Father are One" .

How many times must the Logos claim he is God??

Please, read John 17.

J-D

Either 3, 42, or 5271009.

aa5874

My argument is that the Entire NT Canon was composed after the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE or after the short gMark.
A careful study of the short gMark will clearly show that it was composed Before the Pauline letters.
In effect, Markan Priority, is applicable to all the books of the Entire Canon.
Now, it will be shown that at the Last Supper in gMark:

1. There is NO mention of Remission of Sins.
2.There is no command to carry out the Ritual of the Eucharist.

Mark 14 There is Nothing about Remission of Sins and no command to perform the Ritual in the short gMark.
It will be shown that the author of gMatthew ADDED the phrase “for the Remission of Sins”—Not found in gMark.
Examine Matthew 26.28It will be shown that the author of gLuke ADDED the command to Perform the Ritual—Not found in gMark.
Examine Luke 22.19We see that the LATE stories in gMatthew and gLuke claim that the blood of Jesus was shed for Remission of Sins or to Perform the Ritual of the Eucharist.

The Pauline writings are Compatible with the LATE Jesus stories in gMatthew and gLuke.

1.The Pauline writer claimed his Revealed Jesus shed his blood for Remission of Sins.
2.The Pauline writer claimed his Revealed Jesus commanded that the Ritual of the Eucharist to be performed.

Examine Romans 3.25 KJV 1 Corinthians 11:24 KJV Apologetic sources inadvertently corroborated that the Pauline writer was ALIVE AFTER c 70 CE when it was Admitted that Paul was aware of gLuke and that the Pauline letters were composed AFTER Revelation by John.

See Origen’s “Commentary on Matthew 1.
See Eusebius’ “Church History 6”.
See The Muratorian Canon.

The short gMark is the earliest writing of the Entire NT Canon--all books of the Canon were composed AFTER c 70 CE.

Duvduv

I think it's easy to see that the passage about the eucharist in 1 Corinthians 11 is an interpolation, rendering the chapter a composite introducing a new prepositional or parenthetical passage having nothing to do with the earlier text. The writer discusses the proper procedure for eating a meal commemorating the Christ, with the new passage starting in verse 23 beginning with "For I have received...." ending with verse 29, "For those who eat and drink...."

So noticing the continuity from verse 22 and then to verse 30 we see:

22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter! [........]
30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.

And when I come I will give further directions.

Chili

That is the Word became flesh and until then it was the life-line of humans as Jew, to note that Jesus is mythology specific and thus pertains to religion only.

aa5874

Your speculation is not even logical since you have no evidence of any earlier text and no source of antiquity that can show that 1 Corinthians 11.24 was interpolated.

No manuscripts of the NT have been found and dated to the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

No manuscripts about Jesus, the disciples and Paul have been recovered and dated to the 1st century.

Once you argue that 1 Corinthians 11 contains information that is LATE then it is MUST be obvious that the Existing Canonised Epistle to the Corinthians is LATE.

Please, my argument is that the short gMark is the earliest CANONISED, I repeat, CANONISED book.

I cannot examine your IMAGINARY unknown, never found epistle. You MUST present sources--NOT imagination.

Let me recap.

The short gMark is the earliest Canonised Jesus story.

1. The short gMark has NOTHING about Remission of Sins by Sacrifice and the blood of Jesus.

2. In the short gMark, Salvation--Eternal Life-- is granted when one OBEYS the Commandments.

3. In the short gMark, there is no command to perform the Ritual of the Eucharist.

The Later Gospels and the Pauline writings are compatible. They all have details of the Jesus stories that are inconsistent with the short gMark.

And now, examine the last chapter of the short gMark. There is no post-resurrection visits by Jesus. NO Disciples or Apostles saw the resurrected Jesus.

But, examine gMatthew 28, gLuke 24, and 1 Cor. 15.

The Resurrected Jesus Visited the disciples and Apostles--Not found in the short gMark.

Matthew 28.17 Luke 24.36 1 Cor. 15 Again, we see that the Pauline writings are compatible with the LATER Jesus stories. In fact, the Pauline writings have more post-resurrection visits.

The short gMark is the earliest Jesus story in the ENTIRE Canon including the Pauline writings--all books of the Canon were composed AFTER the short gMark or after c 70 CE.

J-D

Duvduv, I give you dispensation from complying with aa5874's requirements.

aa5874

It is a fact that writings attributed to Paul claimed he was a Persecutor of the Faith and the Church of God.

It is completely logical and reasonable to deduce that The Faith and the Church of God PREDATED the Pauline writings.

The Epistles attributed to Paul were Composed AFTER Paul was a Persecutor and AFTER the Church of God was already established--After there were already People in Christ.

1. Romans 16:7 KJV 2. 1 Corinthians 15:9 KJV 3.Galatians 1In Acts of the Apostles, an Apologetic source, it is also claimed that the character called Paul knew of the Jesus story, Persecuted the Faith in Jerusalem and was supposedly going to Damascus to bound those who Believed the Faith.

1. Acts of the Apostles 82. Acts of the Apostles 9 Now, what did Paul preach AFTER he was called by God??

What did Paul preacher AFTER he stopped being a Persecutor??

Paul PREACHED that Jesus died FOR OUR SINS.

1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV There is NO such teaching in the EARLIEST Canonised Jesus story.

There is NO such teaching in the short gMark.

The Markan Jesus did NOT die for Remission of Sins.

The Pauline teachings are compatible with the LATER Gospels.

To obtain Salvation in the short gMark one must Follow the commandments and give to the poor.

Mark 10The Epistles attributed to Paul were Composed AFTER Paul was a Persecutor, AFTER the Church of God was already established, After the short gMark and AFTER there were stories that Jesus Died for OUR Sins.

Sheshbazzar

On the face of it that would seem correct.....

It does not consider any possibility that the original 'Pauline' writings may have been heavily tampered with and revised by the Church.