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Baidarka · 06-07-2004, 05:05 AM

"List me your top 3 reasons for refusing Christ."
#1- People with imaginary friends are crazy.
#2- People who talk to imaginary friends are dangerous.
#3- People who listen to imaginary friends and take orders from them should be locked up.

MrDarwin · 06-07-2004, 05:52 AM

Gospelog2, I have a question for you (or any other Christian who cares to answer).

Monarchy · 06-07-2004, 06:11 AM

Burden of Proof

You can not show physical proof for the non-existance of something, therfore the ball is in the theists court to prove that god exits. If you doubt this please show physical proof that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and The Boogey Man do not exist (assuming you believe they don't, if not please apply the question to something you believe doesn't exist).

Concept of Hell

Hell is an evil idea, any god that could torture somebody for eternity yet claim to love them is sick. Put it another way. The number Googol is listed like this: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Now if you take a googol to the power of a googol (i.e. a googol times a googol a googol times) you get a number so large that if it were written out on a piece of paper it would not be able to fit in the known universe. However, Infinity (i.e. Etertnity) is still bigger. Even Hitler doesn't deserve to burn that long.

Biblical contradictions

If God is all powerful and perfect, then there is no exuse for the noticable contradictions in the bible. For example God is all powerful, but he can be defeated by iron chariots.

lpetrich · 06-07-2004, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenofSwords

By the way, where's the doctrine, reproof, correction, etc. in the Song of Solomon? How does "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth, for thy love is better than wine" instruct people in righteousness?

The Song of Solomon is sometimes "explained" as a metaphor for loving God or something similar -- the above quote would describe how one is to love God. However, one does wonder why that sort of metaphor and not some other one.

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Actually the Sabbath law is the only one of the commandments Jesus didn't enforce in the Nt. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Do not steal and Do not lie are pretty straight forward.

One can follow every one of the 10C's and be an absolute jerk.

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Originally Posted by Gospelog2

If noone here will be respectful enough to listen to these words, then I will not stay.

Why are those words supposed to be worthy of respect?

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I must be able to at least find one here who has an ear to hear besides Magus. ...

Enjoy crying in your beer with him. Just don't let your beer get too salty.

Son of Odin · 06-07-2004, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Javaman

What are your top 3 reasons for refusing Hank?

:notworthy :notworthy

anyway, my 3 reasons for refusing Jesus:

- Scientists still doubt the hystorical Jesus ever existed
- Evolution proves the non-existance of the Biblical God => who ever Jesus was, he was not the son of God
- The hole dying for ours sins thing is just to stupid to hold any water

Herakles · 06-07-2004, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gospelog2

List me your top 3 reasons for refusing Christ.

That's a pretty biased way of asking that question but I'll answer it anyways.
1. No evidence.
2. Contrived sacrafice.
3. Christianity is by no means a unique religion.

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Now we know why there is a heaven and a hell.

We do? Apart from the total lack of evidence for these places, even the Bible disagrees with you here.

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Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes 3

18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [2] ; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [3] goes down into the earth?"

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Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes 9

1 So I reflected on all this and concluded that the righteous and the wise and what they do are in God's hands, but no man knows whether love or hate awaits him. 2 All share a common destiny-the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, [1] the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not. As it is with the good man,
so with the sinner;
as it is with those who take oaths,
so with those who are afraid to take them.

3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of men, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead. 4 Anyone who is among the living has hope [2] -even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.

Howard · 06-07-2004, 06:20 AM

It is obvious that Gospelog2 did not come here for a meaningful debate. He came here to challenge us (in a rather insulting way) to espouse his religious philosophy without a shred of supportive arguments or evidence, then to leave in a huff after being “persecuted�? for his faith by the evil heathens. Good riddance to him.

Queen of Swords · 06-07-2004, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lpetrich

The Song of Solomon is sometimes "explained" as a metaphor for loving God or something similar -- the above quote would describe how one is to love God.

I'm trying to imagine what the kisses and mouths symbolize in the extended metaphor. Let's not even get started on the breasts like two bunches of grapes and the thighs like two columns leading up to the sweet bowl that never runs dry.

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However, one does wonder why that sort of metaphor and not some other one.

Also, the length of the book and the details involved make me suspect that its purpose is romance rather than religion, prurience rather than prayer. Why not the metaphor of a child's love for its father? That seems far more respectful to god, IMO, than this Hebrew Kama Sutra.

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Why are those words supposed to be worthy of respect?

On the lines of "all scripture is god-inspired", perhaps all preaching is considered worthy of respect.

Starboy · 06-07-2004, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gospelog2

Now we know why there is a heaven and a hell.

Not really. How do you know there is a heaven and a hell let alone why?

Starboy

Starboy · 06-07-2004, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gospelog2

Magus,

Take care of yourself. Remember how Jesus took care of Himself when Satan harrassed Him.

How nice, comparing us to Satan. Get help Gospelog2, the world is not explained with demons any more.

Starboy

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06-07-2004, 05:05 AM	#211
Baidarka Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 590	"List me your top 3 reasons for refusing Christ." #1- People with imaginary friends are crazy. #2- People who talk to imaginary friends are dangerous. #3- People who listen to imaginary friends and take orders from them should be locked up.

06-07-2004, 05:52 AM	#212
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	Gospelog2, I have a question for you (or any other Christian who cares to answer).

06-07-2004, 06:11 AM	#213
Monarchy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 15	Burden of Proof You can not show physical proof for the non-existance of something, therfore the ball is in the theists court to prove that god exits. If you doubt this please show physical proof that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and The Boogey Man do not exist (assuming you believe they don't, if not please apply the question to something you believe doesn't exist). Concept of Hell Hell is an evil idea, any god that could torture somebody for eternity yet claim to love them is sick. Put it another way. The number Googol is listed like this: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Now if you take a googol to the power of a googol (i.e. a googol times a googol a googol times) you get a number so large that if it were written out on a piece of paper it would not be able to fit in the known universe. However, Infinity (i.e. Etertnity) is still bigger. Even Hitler doesn't deserve to burn that long. Biblical contradictions If God is all powerful and perfect, then there is no exuse for the noticable contradictions in the bible. For example God is all powerful, but he can be defeated by iron chariots.

06-07-2004, 06:20 AM	#217
Howard Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 5,864	It is obvious that Gospelog2 did not come here for a meaningful debate. He came here to challenge us (in a rather insulting way) to espouse his religious philosophy without a shred of supportive arguments or evidence, then to leave in a huff after being “persecuted�? for his faith by the evil heathens. Good riddance to him.

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