No Robots

The Gospels:

[T]he Gospel, which was originally something Jewish, becomes a book—and certainly not a minor work—within Jewish literature. This is not because, or not only because, it contains sentences which also appear in the same or a similar form in the Jewish works of that time. Nor is it such—in fact, it is even less so—because the Hebrew or Aramaic breaks again and again through the word forms and sentence formations of the Greek translation. Rather it is a Jewish book because—by all means and entirely because—the pure air of which it is full and which it breathes is that of the Holy Scriptures; because a Jewish spirit, and none other, lives in it; because Jewish faith and Jewish hope, Jewish suffering and Jewish distress, Jewish knowledge and Jewish expectations, and these alone, resound through it—a Jewish book in the midst of Jewish books. Judaism may not pass it by, nor mistake it, nor wish to give up all claims here. Here, too, Judaism should comprehend and take note of what is its own.--"The Gospel as a document of history". In Judaism and Christianity / Leo Baeck. Philadelphia : Jewish Publication Society of America, 1958. p. 101-102.

mountainman

Dear No Robots,

The Song of Hiawatha is a brilliant metrical legend about something which relates to the native american indian. But it was not written by a native american indian, and is certainly not included within the indigenous literature of the native american culture.

Best wishes,


Pete

No Robots

Do you know of any native Americans who claim "The Song of Hiawatha" as part of their literary culture? No, of course not. But we do know that there are Jews who do claim the NT as part of their literary culture. It would seem to me that mythicists, or Christian religionists for that matter, have not fairly assessed these claims. What we have, in my view, is a situation where a significant cultural resource has been stolen and mutilated. In a sense, this is comparable to what happened to the Black Hills, which were seized from the Sioux, and then were defaced with the sculpture on Mount Rushmore.

spamandham

Can you elucidate the relevance of whatever is going on among some modern Jews to the discussion at hand?

I really don't see any connection.

rlogan

I take it this is humor.

But it is a completely unproductive discussion. As I have asked for Jewish responses to Jesus. You can't produce any within centuries of his alleged existence, apparently.

So therefore just re-define Christianity as Judaism. Well, that doesn't really answer the question, does it.

You can't change the definitions I am using in the question in order to fashion an "answer".

dog-on

No Robots is just yanking your chain, rlogan...

He is a funny guy, I must say.

No Robots

Some modern Jews claim, with reason, that the origin of Christianity is Jewish, and thus non-Roman. This is the question at hand.

Certainly it does. If Christianity is Judaism, then it is non-Roman.

dog-on

So is this the "best" argument against a Roman origin?

No Robots

Yeah.:shrug:

dog-on

Thanks. ><