spin

Yup, as I said earlier, four copies of Daniel were dated to the Hasmonean period (150-30 BCE). I haven't looked at the individual dates, but on average at least one text should date before 100 BCE.


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sugarhitman

Who cares what they say about Daneil and about when it was written. The fact it predicted the rise of the Messiah and the destruction of the Temple and the rise of Rome, proves that the prophecies of Daniel are real. :wave:

spin

The gospel Jesus is obviously not the messiah. He didn't lead forces against Israel's enemies. He didn't liberate Israel and usher in the end times. According to the gospels he died and that's a surefire proof that the character wasn't the messiah.

Obviously you don't understand the vision in chapter 9 about the 70 weeks of years, seeing as it ended with the persecution of the Jews under Antiochus IV and his destined overthrow. The anointed ones are high priests.

Now we can disagree as much as you like over these things and as long as you chicken out over Dan 11, you can run and you can hide, but you will never be able to communicate. I'm looking for a chicken smilie just for you.


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sugarhitman

Tell me something spin who is that son of man coming with the clouds who is to rule the world is this not the Jewish Messiah?

arnoldo

You obviously have never read the last book of the bible.

Jack the Bodiless

It did none of these things.

makerowner

It's the representative of Israel, who may be Michael.

Johnny Skeptic

Which Scriptures are you referring to?

makerowner

I'm sure he has. In any case, I have, and it doesn't get him off the hook. There are a variety of clear predictions in the OT about the Messiah and what he would do; Jesus didn't meet a lot of the criteria. That's why they invented the resurrection, to explain how he really was the Messiah even though he had failed.

Sheshonq

Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'la la la la' doesn't fix the holes in your arguments, you know.