Kosh

Why is it always so easy for the Fundies to convert those with poor English skills?

RBH

You wish!

RBH

Yangja Isuko

sigh, not again.

disgracian

for the love of god, make it stop.

lpetrich

tek
evolution is not a fact its a religion

Guess who's using "religion" as a dirty word?

Take a look around you if we were any closer to the sun we would all burn to death, think please, its all not just some beautiful coincidences.

Except that an Earth closer to the Sun would not allow us to come into existence. So the Earth's "convenience" is pure natural selection.

The reason that all is messed up and you see war and people getting old and death and mutation is because everything was perfect until SIN came into the world, ...

No living thing is indestructible.

Aging may be a byproduct of lack of selective pressure after having done enough reproduction to be well-represented in the next generation.

Wars often happen because of greed, and since being greedy helps one to succeed, thus greed is selected for, either genetically or socio-culturally.

God dont want robots worshiping him he gave us a choice.

Thus giving him no right to complain.

and men rejected him so sin came and since nothing is as perfect as it was in the Garden of Eden.

Pure mythology. Predatory behavior goes back hundreds of millions of years. About 500 million years ago, some trilobites have evidence of Anomalocaris bites. Animal-like protists devour bacteria, and they likely go back 2 billion years or more.

I mean thinking we all came from monkeys lol ...

Why do they look almost human?

First evolution points nowhere, How does evolution provide facts that god don't exist,

There might be one who might some day show you all the evolution that's happened on our planet.

It is just saying we all came from apes. who created the apes ?

Those ancestral apes are descended from ancestral monkeys, etc.

And also how come there arent any apes changing into men now ?

Evolution is not very predictable.

I heard even Darwin in his death bed admitted that it was bull he regreted he ever said that.

Which never happened.

and as for evidence God exist well look around you everything smell of creation

Like our gloriously functional appendix, which can be removed without apparent ill effect.

Everything was put in place like eyes was put to see,
Doesn't it take an INTELLIGENT being to say we must put eyes for the men to see ? and feet to walk.
Doesnt it take an INTELLIGENT being to say men need to walk or just another beautiful coincidence, monkey did it ?

We have inherited our eyes and our feet from our simian ancestors; these body parts are MUCH older.

Eyes are elaborations of light-sensitive spots.

Land-vertebrate limbs were originally fish side fins -- which are possibly ectopic tails.

I can go on and on, mountains and all its beautiful designs, or beautiful coincidence ?

We may have some sort of tropism for open spaces, a possible legacy of our east-African ancestors of a few million years ago.

And about who created God the bible explains that, God is alpha and omega first and last.

Bible-thumping does not impress us.

And about me saying that we have eyes to see, feet to walk, mouth to speak because of God. ...

Mouths are almost as old as the animal kingdom.

Jack the Bodiless

This is not true. There are NO confirmed successful prophecies in the Bible, and many of its prophecies have definitely failed.

...But this is not the place to discuss that. We have a separate forum for such discussions, "Biblical Criticism and History".

However, it's a sign of just how badly you have been misled. Perhaps, when you have discovered that THIS is wrong, you'll begin to realize that maybe the people who told you that were lying about evolution too?
There are zillions of stars in the Universe, and zillions of planets. Just how likely is it that NONE of them are at the right distance?

Think about it.
There was no "Garden of Eden", and no "Noah's Flood" either. And discussion of how we know this IS on-topic for this forum, so if you want to discuss those issues, we can do that here if you like.

GunnerJ

As per my ultimatum, this thread went off-topic, so it goes ~Elsewhere~.

-GunnerJ, E/C Mod

Duvenoy

Oh well. I tried. Welcome to the ~Elsewhere~ Abattoir.

Tek, thus far you have come on with nothing more than hand waving and sputtering. You have presented exactly zero evidence. This is not uncommon, by the way. All too many Creationists do the same.

Also, you have failed to define 'kinds' (but, no worries; no one else has ever put forth a satisfactory definition, either). Around here, and especally in E/C, this won't cut it, bro.

Look, you obiviously know nothing of the ToE. I strongly reccommend that you study the topic, or any topic for that matter, before you attempt to discuss it.

So, I'll try again:

After making a litle effort to learn something of what you speak, please give empirical evidence of an intelligent creation. As noted previously, hand-waving and Bible-thumping ain't evidence.

Take your time and read a bit, first. There's no hurry.

doov

WinAce

AYE caramba!

MrDarwin

Except that if God is not only omnipotent but omniscient as well, as Christians generally claim, then God knew exactly what was going to happen to his/her/its creation even before blinking it all into existence. Therefore what we have must be exactly the world that God wanted, because if God wanted something different, God would have done it all differently.

See how simple it is? God wanted sin. God wanted death. God wanted suffering, war, disease, murder, and sick and twisted people torturing, raping, and murdering little children who have done nothing wrong other than having the misfortune to be born into a world where such things happen and are allowed to happen. If a perfect God created a perfect world, then everything that has happened since then must all be going perfectly according to plan.