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Johnny Skeptic · 01-15-2008, 02:17 PM

Opponents of James Holding should enjoy my new thread at the GRD Forum at http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...69#post5093169.

Apikorus · 01-16-2008, 12:39 PM

Having a little exchange with Holding here.

Toto · 01-16-2008, 12:55 PM

Holding calls Dr. Avalos "Dr. Stupid?"

Johnny Skeptic · 01-16-2008, 02:12 PM

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Holding calls Dr. Avalos "Dr. Stupid?"

If the IIDB rules allow it, I would like to call Holding Robert Turkelbuzzard, although I must issue an apology at this time to any offended turkey buzzards.

Schweppes Bitter · 01-17-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Holding calls Dr. Avalos "Dr. Stupid?"

If the IIDB rules allow it, I would like to call Holding Robert Turkelbuzzard, although I must issue an apology at this time to any offended turkey buzzards.

two wrongs make a right? can't you be bigger than him?

Schweppes Bitter · 01-17-2008, 01:23 AM

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Thanks for noticing. I wonder what Holding will say for himself now?

There's so much mud on his face what will he do? :huh:

If I can comment on my previous one.....

I know what he'll do. He'll gerrymander and twist and turn every which way but apologize and hold his head in shame. Yes, that's what he'll do.

And he'll keep on parading down that street in front of his blind ignorant subjects naked hoping they don't notice he has no clothes on.

Yep, that's what he'll do.

And that's what he did in response.

As Avalos said, "Holding is an amateur of the worst type: Too uninformed to know that he is uniformed." And so are his ignorant followers.

Additionally, even if Holding had one good point to make, it's hard to see it through all of his childish and obnoxious talk.

Holding is abrasive and certainly crude. But Avalos is a thought police.He seems to me to be opposed to any form of academic freedom?

did you not catch all the post modern buzz words and idenity politics allusions?

He wants everyone to forget the bible because its' ancient world, oppressive and strange, but he wants us to study other ancient world texts. do you think the Hebrews were only wired and oppressive people in the ancient world?

Holding doesn't have a chance against Avalos. But the piece he wrote for the
SBL comes as close to book burning as I've seen since being graduate classes with Derridian Feminists. He's just cut out of that cloth.

lpetrich · 01-17-2008, 03:10 AM

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Judging from the comments, Dr Avalos seems a little unclear as to the category difference between an epigraphic and a literary text, the latter being the sort on which text critics practise, since he is comparing the transmission of one with the other.

Roger Pearse, you have yet to deliver in stating your reasons on why that is supposedly the case.

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If the IIDB rules allow it, I would like to call Holding Robert Turkelbuzzard, although I must issue an apology at this time to any offended turkey buzzards.

two wrongs make a right? can't you be bigger than him?

Punishment of crime is not normally considered "two wrongs making a right". And if one believes in a policy of "life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise", then "name mangling for name mangling" is only appropriate.

Look at him:
Richard Carrier - Broken Vector
Acharya S - Achy
Thomas Paine - A Real Paine in the Posterior

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Holding is abrasive and certainly crude. But Avalos is a thought police.He seems to me to be opposed to any form of academic freedom?

did you not catch all the post modern buzz words and idenity politics allusions?

Like what?

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He wants everyone to forget the bible because its' ancient world, oppressive and strange, but he wants us to study other ancient world texts. do you think the Hebrews were only wired and oppressive people in the ancient world?

I read the book description at Amazon's page on that book (or via: amazon.co.uk), and it implies no such thing. He calls for "an end to biblical studies as we know them" (italics mine) and "In a controversial conclusion, Avalos argues that our world is best served by leaving the Bible as a relic of an ancient civilization instead of the 'living' document most religionist scholars believe it should be. He urges his colleagues to concentrate on educating the broader society to recognize the irrelevance and even violent effects of the Bible in modern life."

In other words, he advocates taking into account the many discoveries that people in the last few centuries have made about the Bible, and treating it as no more "inspired" than the works of Homer and Hesiod, for instance.

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Holding doesn't have a chance against Avalos. But the piece he wrote for the SBL comes as close to book burning as I've seen since being graduate classes with Derridian Feminists. He's just cut out of that cloth.

Derridean feminists?

Johnny Skeptic · 01-17-2008, 05:46 AM

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If the IIDB rules allow it, I would like to call Holding Robert Turkelbuzzard, although I must issue an apology at this time to any offended turkey buzzards.

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Two wrongs make a right? Can't you be bigger than him?

Have you told Holding that too? Well, er, uh....... Paul basically said that Christians should not judge non-Christians, and that they should judge each other's behavior.

More to the point, what are your objections to Dr. Avalos' article?

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