aa5874

gJohn's Jesus story is NOT a HALF verse story.

There are OVER FOUR THOUSANDS verses in gJohn's Jesus story.

In order to understand the gJohn's story YOU MUST first read the Four Thousand Four hundred verses.

Your Myopic HALF A VERSE analysis is extremely illogical.

The Jesus story in gJohn BEGINS when Jesus EXISTED BEFORE anything was made UNTIL he resurrected and Visited his disciples.

It is IMPERATIVE that you understand that the Johanine Jesus was God if you want to analyze any verse in gJohn's story line.

See John 1, John 3, John 8, and John 17.

I do NOT accept your hopeless half a verse story.

maryhelena

And I don't care for your half a story - :wave:

aa5874

Well, that is your problem. You really don't care about the question "How old was Jesus when he died according to "John"?

You really don't care what the author of gJohn claimed about his Jesus.

I CARE what gJohn states.

John 1
These are the words of the Johanine Jesus according to gJohn.

John 8.58John 10:30 KJV The question of the Thread is "How old was Jesus when he died according to "John"?

Now, if Jesus did EXIST and was crucified and was LATER SEEN ALIVE as stated in gJohn 20 and 21 then the Question should be WHEN DID JESUS REALLY DIE IN gJohn???

The Johanine Jesus SURVIVED the Crucifixion.

gJohn's Jesus was ALIVE in John 1 and up to the very last chapter John 21.

outhouse

and that ill have to agree.


while one can find microscopic historicity at best, relating to jesus your just picking out what mythology was important to many decades away from anything relevant to be useful

JoeWallack

JW:
A tasty snack provided by Stephanus (Huller):

Adolf von Harnack, The "Sic et Non" of Stephanus Gobarus. Harvard Theological Review 16 (1923) pp.205-234


Joseph Walach

Sheshbazzar

As I understand it, the Survey and OP is about the natural human age of Jebus when he was put to death by crucification as reported in the Gospels.
That is, the number of years that his human body had lived, counted from the year of his birth as reported in the Gospels, until the year of his death as is reported in these Gospels -including John (Jn 19:33, 20:9)

Attempted diversions into the theological crapola about his mythical alleged undying eternal nature are not at all germane to the subject of at what physical age he was put to death.

The Gospels all clearly and repeatedly state that he was put to death, did die, and was dead on the day he was crucified, and that he remained dead for a period of days.
His human life and age on earth consists of the number of years from the year of his natural human birth, to the year of his natural human death. Which is limited by the available information on the subject to less than 125 years.
(a lot of lunatic claims regarding him surviving the crucifixion and dying at a ripe old age have been made, so I am acknowledging and including the existence of these exaggerated figures)
No matter how many years his natural earthly life may have consisted of, they ended with him dying.

So lets get this thread back on its track by limiting the subject to how many years he walked on this earth in his human body before dying on Calvary, -or in India, China, Japan, America or someplace else. ;-)



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Toto

Chili's posts have been split off. Google translate does not work on them.

youngalexander

Geez, this stuff is far more complicated than quantum physics?

It is entirely possible that it is all bullshit!

But don't let on you know.

Sheshbazzar

Joe's question is quite well worded;
'How old was Jesus when he died according to "John"?'
The question is limited to what can be determined from "John's" writing.

The question as phrased does not even entail acceptance that the protagonist of "John's" story, 'Jesus', ever lived.
The question is not about any natural existence of this character, but rather about the wording employed in "John's" 'story line', and what age the author of "John" had in mind, and his words were intended to convey when he wrote.

The discussion is not about a life, but about examining the content of, and one particular aspect of the written 'Gospel of "John" as literature, not as history.
Thus the content of any other Bible book, letter, or early Christian writing is NOT germane to the subject. Certainly these can show the differing views and opinions that arose and were held -by latter others- but that is NOT at all what we are seeking to determine here, and only serve to muddy the question;
What can we determine about Jesus's age from the text of "John" -and only that source, uninfluenced by anything external to that source.

Yes youngalexander, it is bullshit! as far as being valid history. But the question is not one of history, but of literature and regarding a single literary aspect of that single piece of literature called 'The Gospel which is According to John'.
Which considerably narrows the field regarding what ought to be brought into discussion within this thread.
If what is being proffered on the subject is not actually found within the text of 'The Gospel Which is According to John', it should not appear here.



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Chili

You mean the Gospel of John should not appear here, as he sure was not a flat earther himself or you would not be puzzled by him still.