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Old 02-25-2005, 08:47 PM   #1
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Anyone know much about this? I know there are variant Hebrew manuscripts, but do all of them have 28 Hebrew letters in Genesis 1:1?

Here are some gematria related claims:

Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The 7 words have exactly 28 letters (4 x 7).
There are 3 nouns (God, heaven, and earth) with a gematria of exactly 777 (111 x 7).
There is one verb ("created") with a numeric value of 203 (29 x 7).
The first 3 words contain the subject and have exactly 14 letters (2 x 7); the other four contain the object and also have exactly 14 letters.
The Hebrew words for the two objects (heaven and earth) each have exactly 7 letters; the value of the first, middle, and last letters in the sentence is 133 (19 x 7).
The numeric value of the first and last words in the sentence is 1,393 (199 x 7).
The value of the first and last letters of the verse is 497 (71 x 7).
The value of the first and the last letters of each word in between is 896 (128 x 7).
The Hebrew particle "eth" is used with the article "the" twice; its total value is 406 (58 x 7).
The last letters of the first and last words are valued at 490 (70 x 7).
The 4th, 5th, and 6th words have 7 letters each...etc.!!


Since the 1st and 2nd chapters (yes, I know chapter and verse divsions were supposedly not in the "original text) do mention seven days and God resting on the seventh day, are these merely coincidences or are some of the seven related patterns purposely there? Since there seems to be an affinity for the number seven in the Bible, I could see how some of these could have been purposely designed.

As for the gematria related claim, is it correct that the three nouns (God, heaven and earth) equal 777 in Hebrew gematria? I'm not sure there's only a single way to calculate gematria in Hebrew. Any information is appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 02-26-2005, 01:43 AM   #2
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For people interested in gematria, each Hebrew letter is given a value and as the word-final forms of some letters are different, they also have different values:
Code:
) 1
B 2
G 3
D 4
H 5
W 6
Z 7
X 8
+ 9
Y 10
K 20   final 500
L 30
M 40   final 600
N 50   final 700
S 60
( 70
P 80   final 800
C 90   final 900
Q 100
R 200
$ 300
T 400
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Anyone know much about this? I know there are variant Hebrew manuscripts, but do all of them have 28 Hebrew letters in Genesis 1:1?

Here are some gematria related claims:

Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The 7 words have exactly 28 letters (4 x 7).
Gosh, that's marvelous.

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There are 3 nouns (God, heaven, and earth) with a gematria of exactly 777 (111 x 7).
I guess we have to ignore the fact that two of those nouns have definite articles attached to them, otherwise this miraculous numerical phenomenon would have the same result.

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There is one verb ("created") with a numeric value of 203 (29 x 7).
And the first word has six letters and a numerical value of 913 (1 x 913). That's interesting isn't it?

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The first 3 words contain the subject and have exactly 14 letters (2 x 7); the other four contain the object and also have exactly 14 letters.
And have a numerical value of 1202 (2 x 601)!

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The Hebrew words for the two objects (heaven and earth) each have exactly 7 letters; the value of the first, middle, and last letters in the sentence is 133 (19 x 7).
These two objects have definite articles, but let's forget about them, because that would change the incredible numbers.

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The numeric value of the first and last words in the sentence is 1,393 (199 x 7).
b = 2, r = 200, ) = 1, $ = 300, y = 10, t = 400 = 913 (bereshit)

) = 1, r = 200, c (final) = 900 (eretz)

1813 (total)

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The value of the first and last letters of the verse is 497 (71 x 7).
Final tsade has a value of 900.

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The value of the first and the last letters of each word in between is 896 (128 x 7).
What about the internal letters?

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The Hebrew particle "eth" is used with the article "the" twice; its total value is 406 (58 x 7).
How many sentences in the Hebrew bible have this characteristic?

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The last letters of the first and last words are valued at 490 (70 x 7).
t = 400
c (final) = 900 (though tsade is normally 90)

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The 4th, 5th, and 6th words have 7 letters each...etc.!!
Where did you get this from??

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Since the 1st and 2nd chapters (yes, I know chapter and verse divsions were supposedly not in the "original text) do mention seven days and God resting on the seventh day, are these merely coincidences or are some of the seven related patterns purposely there? Since there seems to be an affinity for the number seven in the Bible, I could see how some of these could have been purposely designed.

As for the gematria related claim, is it correct that the three nouns (God, heaven and earth) equal 777 in Hebrew gematria? I'm not sure there's only a single way to calculate gematria in Hebrew. Any information is appreciated. Thanks.
Your post seems like it had no intention of asking anything, but of presenting the marvelous facts of gematria.

But let me ask you why you don't use standard gematric numbering?


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Spin, thanks for the response. Let me see if I can find the link to that info. Here it is I think, http://moh.gospelcom.net/WinkPrat/DT...lChallenge.htm

Well, I guess I wanted to know if it was accurate, for one. Also, since the Bible does seem to represent 7 as a "special" number, I can see how some of this could have been designed by the author(s) of Genesis.
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Is it open season?

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(= 666 if C = 100 (roman), E = 2 (Euler), L = 50 (roman), S = 60 (what spin wrote), and U = 394 (7x56.2857) )
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Is it open season?

Humbly,
Celsus
(= 666 if C = 100 (roman), E = 2 (Euler), L = 50 (roman), S = 60 (what spin wrote), and U = 394 (7x56.2857) )
Whoa, boy. If you wrote Celsus in Hebrew, it would be KYL$W$, ie

K = 20
Y = 10
L = 30
$ = 300
W = 6
$ = 300
---------
666

You don't need to fudge it. We've always known, you little devil.

(Note on Y <- e: Ezekiel in Hebrew is YXZQ)L.)


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Learning every day! I guess Vork would be:

B 2
W 6
R 200
K 20
W 6
S 60
Y 10
G 3
) 1
N 700

= 1008
= 7 x 12 x 12!

Amazing! But why do I always have to be the bad guy? Thanks for the tip-off anyway, shpin.

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Learning every day! I guess Vork would be:

B 2
W 6
R 200
K 20
W 6
S 60
Y 10
G 3
) 1
N 700

= 1008
= 7 x 12 x 12!

Amazing! But why do I always have to be the bad guy? Thanks for the tip-off anyway, shpin.

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Have you been drinking or are you just forgetting that a SHIN has two different realisations, /s/ as in Israel and /sh/ as in shalom. Oh, and B -> V doesn't happen word-initially, so you'll have to try WWRKWSYG)N, but then the "a" is probably a schewa, so no letter is needed, WWRKWSYGN. Then, is the "s" pronounced as an /s/ or as a /z/? It may be WWRKWZYGN. And Vork will truly be confused.


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Can I plead insanity based on loss of braincells caused by today's events and desire to fit a nice number? Anyway, thanks for the lesson... One day I'll actually remember all this.

Kilsho... er, Celsus
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Have you been drinking or are you just forgetting that a SHIN has two different realisations, /s/ as in Israel and /sh/ as in shalom. Oh, and B -> V doesn't happen word-initially, so you'll have to try WWRKWSYG)N, but then the "a" is probably a schewa, so no letter is needed, WWRKWSYGN. Then, is the "s" pronounced as an /s/ or as a /z/? It may be WWRKWZYGN. And Vork will truly be confused.

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= 1008
= 7 x 12 x 12!

Amazing! But why do I always have to be the bad guy?
Kilshosh
Hey! Didn't you just say I was seven gross? That's bad enough!

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

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