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Toto · 12-13-2007, 01:00 AM

P52 was not carbon dated. It was dated paleographically, usually to 100-150, but I have seen a case made that it could be later.

mountainman · 12-13-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by renassault

So Constantine foresaw the future and forged the radio-carbon dating we now see? What's your opinion on the P52 papyrus, an excerpt of John, which is dated to 150 AD at latest?

Regarding P52, the paleographer who dated it made a mistake.

My opinion is that Constantine's publication of the Constantine
Bible and the new testament literature was a lavish affair. Not
only did it involve the coordination of one master editor, and
the use of a set range of "Nomina Sacra" codes, but that the
new texts of the new nation of Christians were written in an
old script, so as to make them appear ancient and antiquarian.

Much like D E S I D E R A T A

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"Desiderata" was written in 1927 by Max Ehrmann (1872-1945). In 1956, the rector of St. Paul's Church in Baltimore, Maryland, used the poem in a collection of mimeographed inspirational material for his congregation. Someone who subsequently printed it asserted that it was found in Old St. Paul's Church, dated 1692. The year 1692 was the founding date of the church and has nothing to do with the poem. See Fred D. Cavinder, "Desiderata", _TWA Ambassador_, Aug. 1973, pp. 14-15.

Best wishes,

Pete Brown

aa5874 · 12-13-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nazaroo

Well, having read through this windy thread, I am disappointed.

What should have been a worthy and defensible claim, namely that Constantine did indeed corrupt Christianity and impose his own brand of it for a while at least, has been eroded and finally ridiculed by exaggeration and the leaven of unconvincing and implausible side-claims.

Your star witness Julian says this much:

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Yet Jesus, who won over the least worthy of you, has been known by name for but little more than three hundred years:

and during his lifetime he accomplished nothing worth hearing of,

unless anyone thinks that to heal crooked and blind men and to exorcise those who were possessed by evil demons in the villages of Bethsaida and Bethany can be classed as a mighty achievement.

With hostile witnesses like this, who needs friendly witnesses?

This is a shame, since Constantine surely was a prick who corrupted Christianity, appointing stick-men for bishops the same way Herod appointed priests in Jesus' time.

The poster erroneously assumes "known by name" refers to an actual existence. It should be remembered that Achilles, the Greek hero, was "known by name" for at least a thousand years up to the time of Julian.

And there is an extremely long list of figures "known by name" for thousands of years, but I will only name one more for the time being , known by name as the first man, Adam.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	P52 was not carbon dated. It was dated paleographically, usually to 100-150, but I have seen a case made that it could be later.

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