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The Evil One · 07-08-2007, 04:25 AM

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Again, you have to explain this preferential treatment of certain sources.

No preferential treatment. You make a very good point. As I said, I have not read Josephus' sources. Obviously, we need to evaluate them all and determine which are independent and which are not. My point is simply that IF there are say, 5 independent sources that say 1000 and 1 source that says 30000, then I would lean towards the sources that say 1000.

Good, we're making progress. Now, answer me the following question.

IF there are say, 5 independent sources that say 1000, 1 source that says 30000, and a vast quantity of physical evidence which contradicts both sets of sources by indicating that there was never a flood, never any antediluvians, and never any super-long-lived humans...

... then what way should the critical scholar lean?

deadman_932 · 07-08-2007, 04:26 AM

Non -textual evidence supporting Dave? A big fat zero.
Textual evidence that Dave claims supports him? Myths.
Physical evidence that shows no human has ever been known to exceed 135 years in age...priceless

Y.B · 07-08-2007, 04:30 AM

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I already gave you a list of 15 genera. But you have already decided that they weren't feathered dinosaurs, no matter the evidence, so what's the point?

I've never seen the evidence. I'm from Missouri. Show me. Like I said, you could start a new thread in EvC, then post some pictures and some analysis of why you think there were ever any feathered dinos.

If you bother to click on the links I provided you can see pictures and analysis. I suggest you click them all: although there is some controversy concerning a few of the genera, there is no controversy that most of them were indeed feathered dinosaurs.

If I can be arsed, I (or Dave) can start a thread about this in E/C, let's not derail this topic anymore.

deadman_932 · 07-08-2007, 04:33 AM

Off-Topic: did you include that little feathered tyrannosaurid, YB? I forget the taxon. Ah, yeah, you did...Dilong paradoxus, just looked it up

Dave Hawkins · 07-08-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

No preferential treatment. You make a very good point. As I said, I have not read Josephus' sources. Obviously, we need to evaluate them all and determine which are independent and which are not. My point is simply that IF there are say, 5 independent sources that say 1000 and 1 source that says 30000, then I would lean towards the sources that say 1000.

Good, we're making progress. Now, answer me the following question.

IF there are say, 5 independent sources that say 1000, 1 source that says 30000, and a vast quantity of physical evidence which contradicts both sets of sources by indicating that there was never a flood, never any antediluvians, and never any super-long-lived humans...

... then what way should the critical scholar lean?

Very good question. I have very good answers, but they take more time than I have now. Might be tomorrow morning before I can answer. In the mean time, we'll see if my many antagonists can restrain themselves from putting words in my mouth and answering erroneously for me.

Dave Hawkins · 07-08-2007, 05:03 AM

Oh and by the way ... that coin you mentioned is a written record.

The Evil One · 07-08-2007, 05:04 AM

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Very good question. I have very good answers, but they take more time than I have now. Might be tomorrow morning

Excellent. I shall be on tenterhooks.

Pappy Jack · 07-08-2007, 05:27 AM

I don't know if anyone has posted this link

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w...-1984-1a.shtml

here yet, but it has an interesting summary of a 1984 paper by Lawrence J. Angel, Health as a crucial factor in the changes from hunting to developed farming in the eastern Mediterranean which was published in Mark N. Cohen and George J. Armelagos (eds.) Paleopathology at the Origins of Agriculture, itself the proceedings of a conference held in 1982. I am unaware of how valid the data presented here remains in the light of further research over the last 20 years.

stp2007 · 07-08-2007, 05:29 AM

I, for one, am glad Elijah filled the afdave participation vacuum. It made this mornings coffee much more amusing.

Faid · 07-08-2007, 05:39 AM

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Elijah, when your claim is "longer lifespans = smarter people", the effects of old age are nothing BUT relevant. Are you trying to bail out from this?

And I have already addressed the relationship between old age after a point, and the ability to learn. Anything else?

It's not the effects of old age that is being discussed. It is the effect of a longer lifespan that is. Alzheimer and dementia are both diseases and just diversions from the topic at hand.

I'm not trying to bail, I'm just having a hard time getting you to understand what I am saying.

Perhaps the reason for that is that what you say makes no sense whatsoever. "The effects of old age is not the issue,but the effects of a long lifespan is"? What?

I'm not sure that even you know what you're saying at this point. Do you seriously believe that, the older the people, the smarter they are? And that this can go on indefinitely?

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07-08-2007, 04:26 AM	#192
deadman_932 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Altadena, California Posts: 3,271	Non -textual evidence supporting Dave? A big fat zero. Textual evidence that Dave claims supports him? Myths. Physical evidence that shows no human has ever been known to exceed 135 years in age...priceless

07-08-2007, 04:33 AM	#194
deadman_932 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Altadena, California Posts: 3,271	Off-Topic: did you include that little feathered tyrannosaurid, YB? I forget the taxon. Ah, yeah, you did...Dilong paradoxus, just looked it up

07-08-2007, 05:03 AM	#196
Dave Hawkins Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,375	Oh and by the way ... that coin you mentioned is a written record.

07-08-2007, 05:27 AM	#198
Pappy Jack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: French Pyrenees Posts: 649	I don't know if anyone has posted this link http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w...-1984-1a.shtml here yet, but it has an interesting summary of a 1984 paper by Lawrence J. Angel, Health as a crucial factor in the changes from hunting to developed farming in the eastern Mediterranean which was published in Mark N. Cohen and George J. Armelagos (eds.) Paleopathology at the Origins of Agriculture, itself the proceedings of a conference held in 1982. I am unaware of how valid the data presented here remains in the light of further research over the last 20 years.

07-08-2007, 05:29 AM	#199
stp2007 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 59	I, for one, am glad Elijah filled the afdave participation vacuum. It made this mornings coffee much more amusing.

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