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storytime · 10-07-2008, 02:10 PM

I rather like the idea that Eve was taken out of Adams tribal relatives, thus the "rib" of Adam identifies itself in his kinsmen.

Lucis · 10-07-2008, 05:02 PM

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It's not exactly that it's painful because of intelligence, in the eye of evolution. Or that we walk erect because of intelligence. Ostriches walk erect and they're dumber than two bags of hammers.

birds walk on two legs because they only have two legs. they have no choice.

Amaleq13 · 10-07-2008, 08:47 PM

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birds walk on two legs because they only have two legs. they have no choice.

They didn't always have just two legs but those birds whose wings have not evolved into flightless appendages certainly do have a choice. They can fly.

Your OP is fundamentally flawed (pun intended) because it takes a fable and pretends it is a science text.

storytime · 10-07-2008, 08:51 PM

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Gen.3:16)

Does this have anything to do with natural childbirth or is it metaphorically speaking about Eve's difficulty in raising her chldren up in her particular tribal tradition in comparison to the many other tribal peoples who could influence them to stray? When God put Adam in the Garden where did he take Adam from? The dust of the eart? Meaning what? The desert area where many people already lived?

So what else did God do? Did he steal the animals from other tribes and bring them to Adam and Adam named them? And why wasn't Adam satisfied with an out-of-state woman? God must have been growing impatient with Adam, and so he brought the man a wo-man from Adam's own kindred, one that was "fit" for him. All the other women were probably unclean or on their period or something.

About the birds. What if they had four legs and because they needed to survive developed wings to fly high above the dinosaurs and as they flew they eventually lost two legs in the evolutionary way of things.

:wave:

storytime · 10-07-2008, 08:58 PM

[QUOTE=Chili;5591149]If Genesis is where we come full circle it must be true that we are described in Genesis at least until we recognize where we parted company with our own self in Genesis 3.

An important step to take is to accept the fact that we, as in each one of us, live beside our self for our own benefit (for sure), but for which the price to pay is that there now is two of us with the undesired consequence that we cannot make our own mind the subject of our inquiry and therefore really do not know who we are . . . yet we do know who we are but not consciously until we come full circle in Gen.2 where unite with the woman

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(bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh)

Tribal relatives. Many people today describe their relatives saying "that's your blood". (blood relatives). Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh is the same comparitive.

Amaleq13 · 10-07-2008, 09:02 PM

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...is it metaphorically speaking about Eve's difficulty in raising her chldren up in her particular tribal tradition in comparison to the many other tribal peoples who could influence them to stray?

What in the text suggests to you the author wanted to be understood metaphorically?

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What if they had four legs and because they needed to survive developed wings to fly high above the dinosaurs and as they flew they eventually lost two legs in the evolutionary way of things.

I'm not sure if this was intended to be a joke or if it simply represents a genuine lack of understanding of the process of evolution but it is a notion that is contradicted by the evidence that birds evolved from certain dinosaur ancestors.

But you can always visit the E/C forum to improve your understanding.

Chili · 10-07-2008, 11:24 PM

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Tribal relatives. Many people today describe their relatives saying "that's your blood". (blood relatives). Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh is the same comparitive.

But blood is not flesh and bones or there would be genes in blood. The woman here holds the genetic key to the man's flesh and bones for which she was taken from the man.

storytime · 10-08-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by storytime

...is it metaphorically speaking about Eve's difficulty in raising her chldren up in her particular tribal tradition in comparison to the many other tribal peoples who could influence them to stray?

What in the text suggests to you the author wanted to be understood metaphorically?

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What if they had four legs and because they needed to survive developed wings to fly high above the dinosaurs and as they flew they eventually lost two legs in the evolutionary way of things.

I'm not sure if this was intended to be a joke or if it simply represents a genuine lack of understanding of the process of evolution but it is a notion that is contradicted by the evidence that birds evolved from certain dinosaur ancestors.

But you can always visit the E/C forum to improve your understanding.

Only speculating on the metaphorical.

I would guess that the genesis story of the first man and woman was revised many times before ending up in the bible as is.

Chili · 10-08-2008, 05:04 PM

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Only speculating on the metaphorical.

I would guess that the genesis story of the first man and woman was revised many times before ending up in the bible as is.

Not inspired you say?

MarkA · 10-10-2008, 10:15 PM

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when eve ate the fruit, god cursed eve so that giving birth would be painful. evelution says that the reason it's painful is because we became intelligent (tree of knowledge) and started to walk on two feet. does that mean that adam and eve walked on all four in the garden of eden? like animals?

no, i don't think so... i think that when adam and eve still hadn't eaten the fruit, their bodies were much different than now, and they reproduced in a different way. they laid eggs. god says in the bible that he created us male and female (hermaphrodite). several myths, like the greek myths, talk about the separation of sexes, and they say that male and female once used to be united as god, and that's why they try so hard to become one by having sex. but for some reason, the child that is born is also only one gender.

eventually, because male and female are like two different races, the two will probably melt together again and hermaphrodites will become more common, and male and females will be the abnormality.

Not Eve but Woman ate the fruit and gave it to Man so his eyes would be opened and can see for himself as "like-god" here now first called Adam. So Adam did not fall but Adam was the image of man created in and by the Tree of Knowledge where and wherein it remains an illusion.

We would call it the persona or mask today that was banned from Eden when we first became rational beings with a mind of our own that never ever gained ascend in the TOL where the woman remained in charge of our being as Man in the image of God and therefore is our dowry as God in person upon our return to Eden.

Instead of continuing to walk upright we learned to crawl with the serpent on our side that we as Adam [in our own right] called Eve and it is because we live beside our own true self that pain was a gift of God to guide us while in the darkness that was created in the absence of the celestial light . . . to say that pain as well as darkness are both illusions

Created male and female denotes androgyne with the potential to become either male or female in our sex identity but with a gender identity wherein our sexuality is also an illusion and is why we can return to be united as God in the image of Man . . . while in the mean time our gender identity serves as the magnetic force to procreate man in the image of God throughout the ages, and actually is what makes evlution possible in a fertile mode of existence (as opposed to cloning, for example).

Seems an incredibily perverse way of explaining what is essentially an eclectic set of myths whose purpose was to explain the existence of humans.

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storytime Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,608	I rather like the idea that Eve was taken out of Adams tribal relatives, thus the "rib" of Adam identifies itself in his kinsmen.

10-07-2008, 08:51 PM	#14
storytime Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,608	"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Gen.3:16) Does this have anything to do with natural childbirth or is it metaphorically speaking about Eve's difficulty in raising her chldren up in her particular tribal tradition in comparison to the many other tribal peoples who could influence them to stray? When God put Adam in the Garden where did he take Adam from? The dust of the eart? Meaning what? The desert area where many people already lived? So what else did God do? Did he steal the animals from other tribes and bring them to Adam and Adam named them? And why wasn't Adam satisfied with an out-of-state woman? God must have been growing impatient with Adam, and so he brought the man a wo-man from Adam's own kindred, one that was "fit" for him. All the other women were probably unclean or on their period or something. About the birds. What if they had four legs and because they needed to survive developed wings to fly high above the dinosaurs and as they flew they eventually lost two legs in the evolutionary way of things. :wave:

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