Furby

DH is there. His new nick is rdk. Brain will be there as soon as Shai-Hulud (the bot owner) is informed of the change.

wonkothesane

Okay, look, everyone knows that the real reason the original #infidelchat channel was closed and everyone was banned was because of a vast conspiracy involving Jew Bankers....



[wonko *runs*...far...]

Really, seriously, some people just need to lighten up!

I like having a channel where free speech is tollerated, and as long as no one is activily trying to subvert the channel (like religious fanatics try to take it over) or no one trys to over-run it with adds (adds on irc? I suppose you could spam it up if you wanted, right?) or no one is being a huge *HUGE* asshole or making death threats, then banning and excessive kicking (aside of the *VERY* occasional kick for fun) should never be used...

I for one am glad everything is sorted out. Now...will Novowels and Juiblex ever return? That is the question...

EverLastingGodStopper

I hope that everyone reads LW's SecLife post about CM's 3-year+ history of closing chats and harassing chatters.

fando

Well, I hope you come to realize that you're overreacting. Consider CM's history of abusing his power as unearthed by LoneWolf over at secularlife. Many of us who were there when the bannings started could tell that we were dealing with someone who had issues dealing with power. The pace of chat is important to understanding the tone of chatters, and CM's tone was disturbing to many.

Furthermore, after the bannings, we attempted to make up. You can't claim that we did not attempt to rectify the matter, to give the benefit of the doubt to CM. Despite that, some of us felt that we had to watch what we said in the presence of CM. That feeling of fear is detrimental to a community. It's not worth being subject to the absolute power of an unknown and unstable admin.

Finally, to deride our experience, our common sense and our ethics as dramawhoring is simply insulting. Please reconsider your stance.

Garnet

But where the flying fuck do we chat now? :banghead:

EverLastingGodStopper

IRC: server - irc.wikkedwire.com channel - #infidelchat
http://secularlife.org/chat.html

Novowels

Heh, ironic. I've barely reacted to this except out of disappointment with how people were- wait for it- overreacting. Still, what's done is done and I've moved on to other things. An internet chatroom, even one I've been an active and daily participant in for a couple of years, is really nothing to get all that upset over. The internets are vast, there's always other places to go.

I'll take "twisting of what I've been saying" for 500, Alex. Whilst it's indeed possible that nothing we did after CM turned his attention to the room would have stopped what happened, my experience and my common sense tell me that any problems that I saw either in person, through logs, or told about secondhand, were exacerbated rapidly by the overdramatic, childish actions of certain members; and those actions were equivocated or defended by the majority of the other members. If being disappointed that some people I respected lowered themselves to some childish troll's level, then buy me the T-shirt I guess. I'd rather be honest than popular.

Pointing out CM's history and CM's antics as if I were defending him or something particularly misses the mark. I've never defended CM and I'm not going to start. But saying "CM was worse" doesn't really soothe me any, especially when some of the very behaviour that I have been disappointed in has continued in a rather rabid and energetic fashion even after the "troublemaker" is out of the picture.

In any case, I'm plenty keen on just letting it go and moving on. It's obvious that I'm in the extreme minority of something that some people seem to think is a quite emotional and divisive issue for some reason, and I don't want to cause any rifts or problems in the community.

Baalthazaq

Novowels

You've been saying exactly what I've been saying in essence. I said that both sides were acting fairly childish, and the over-reaction was on both sides.

Not however by everyone. The problem with essentially stereotyping everyone into one group who "over-reacted" is silly.

CM over-reacted. Certain people out of a group of 40+ chatters over-reacted at different times. It only really takes 3 (minor I might add) over-reactions out of 40 people for the responses that CM had.

By leaving you are first of all saying that your dissappointment with 2 or 3 people outweighs the fun you've had with the rest of the group, which I think many people find dissappointing, and furthermore the group as a whole might be reacting a little to your statement being directed at the people who did nothing wrong.

I was only even awake for one of the incidents and even then a non-participant, and yet I've been banned and have now it seems lost a couple of friends as a result.

I enjoy our conversations in #infidelchat. I think some people over-reacted, but not seriously enough by any reasonable degree that they are no longer people I would consider friends. I will be staying, and I really do wish you'd reconsider.

I'm not the only one who would be dissappointed if you left.

rebelnerd

Sorry to dissapoint, my particular behavior was well after the fact. I have a total lack of respect for anybody with ego problems such as CM. I wasn't even on the boards during the flame-up. I was on the night before the 'global' banning (nothing out of the ordinary happened except for MonkeyMan snooping around) and was quite dismayed when I tried to log in, that I was banned. I followed the bread crumbs and found out what had happened. Apparently, you have little sense of humor.

Novowels

Well, right now I'm mostly disappointed that I'm the only one that can spell "disappoint."