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Old 05-01-2012, 11:11 AM   #81
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Chaucer - no, I am not going to spend any more time on this. If you want to go into the archives, you can look for posts by Layman, Bede, Nomad, and a few others. You can probably also find some surveys.

You are entirely too touchy on this issue.
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you can look for posts by Layman, Bede, Nomad, and a few others. You can probably also find some surveys.
Are these all current posters on this board? And are there more than just these three (which is the number you already named for non-believers here), thus justifying your use of the word "mostly"?

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you can look for posts by Layman, Bede, Nomad, and a few others. You can probably also find some surveys.
Are these all current posters on this board? And are there more than just these three (which is the number you already named for non-believers here), thus justifying your use of the word "mostly"?

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What part of "I am not going to spend any more time on this" and "archives" are you having trouble with, Chaucer?
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What part of "I am not going to spend any more time on this" and "archives" are you having trouble with, Chaucer?
I'm surprised you didn't check out the YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

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Wrong. There is no reason to assume that there is some historical basis for any given story. That's not how historians work in any other field.



All you are doing here is shifting the burden of proof to the other side.

We have no reason to doubt that there was some guy named Jesus who preached and had followers. But we have no credible evidence for him either.
Why is it that most of the world's population believes that he existed?

Most Americans reject evolution
. What does that tell us?

(yes, I know the poll is from 2009. I can only hope that things have shifted in favor of science and reason.)
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Wrong. There is no reason to assume that there is some historical basis for any given story. That's not how historians work in any other field.



All you are doing here is shifting the burden of proof to the other side.

We have no reason to doubt that there was some guy named Jesus who preached and had followers. But we have no credible evidence for him either.
Why is it that most of the world's population believes that he existed?

Most Americans reject evolution
. What does that tell us?
It tells us that most non-Americans in the educated West accept evolution, for one thing.

It tells us that most Americans say they reject evolution, despite being unqualified to express an opinion. It tells us, therefore, that Americans are either simpletons, deluded into parroting a point of view, or are lying. The strong likelihood is that most Americans, being more intelligent than they often like to present themselves, believe strongly in evolution.

Now why this consensus to state otherwise? It's actually, on the evidence, precisely because Americans believe in deity, as a religious book is cited as superior to scientific evidence. Belief in deity is not held willingly, but with fear. Not necessarily with fear of deity, either, but perhaps of fear of the enormously wealthy and powerful who control American society. There is no denying that party politics in the USA is a matter of money. Last week, Scott Walker was re-elected with the help of $4.6 million, most of it from outside Wisconsin, a fact that ought to worry democrats everywhere. The USA is simply too much of an outlier, arguably, too much of a corruption, to be taken as evidence of popular delusion.

With sharia countries, America provides the strongest possible evidence that the people who most matter in the affairs of men believe in the God of the Bible.
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