marc

Could have been worse. Could have died as Elvis did.

Tom Sawyer

It's too bad they didn't have him torn apart by a pack of rabid dogs. That way, there'd be a lot more dog jewellery and figurines and I like shit like that with dogs on it.

GenesisNemesis

That was worse? :grin:

WVIncagold

Because death by tubunga makes a lousy looking pendant.

Oh right you need the joke.

Three doctors enter the congo and are captured by a native tribe.
Their chief tells the doctors that they have a choice death or tubunga.
First guy thinks well i dont want to die so he chooses tubunga.
So the chief yells Tubunga! and all the warriors yell tubunga!
And they all proceed to have anal sex with the poor guy.
the next docotor decides well he does not want to die and chooses tubunga.
So the chief yells Tubunga! and all the warriors yell tubunga!
And they all proceed to have anal sex with the poor guy.
Third guy thinks no way is that going to happen the bible says its a mortal sin so he chooses death.
The chief yells he chooses death! the warriors all yell death!
The chiefs then says Death is chosen so i decree Death by Tubunga!

general_koffi

Yeah, but consider that Christians would probably have killed off Canis Lupus over the course of 2000 years if that were the case...

marc

well then Christians would all go around with little toilets hanging around their necks. And I'd hate to think of the religious ceremonies some groups would come up with, especially for Easter.

motorhead

To take this further, God, being outside time according to most Christians, sees the past, present and future. It's all before him. God planned all human history and how it would end. So, it's already a done deal. We're just actors playing out our parts. Everything has already been decided. This is where Calvinism comes from. God is sovereign and is in complete control of everything from start to finish. According to the book of Romans, God decided when writing the script of human history who would be saved and who would be damned. Nothing we can do about it. Like I said, it's a done deal.

Judas couldn't have decided not to do it. It's already been decided what Judas would do. An interesting side note, there is a verse where Jesus says he must die as it has been written but woe to the one who betrays Jesus. But if Jesus had to die in this fashion, why is it woe to Judas? Again, this is how God planned it out, so it cannot be any other way.

Hyndis

And those who take this sort of position put god in a position to be the most monstrous and evil figure in all of existence! God would have been purposefully creating people specifically just to send them to hell. Creating people just so god can torture them for all eternity when these people didn't even have to exist in the first place.


However, that position does avoid the Problem of Evil that plagues other interpretations of god. God is all powerful, all knowing, and absolutely pure evil. :rolling:

Doug Shaver

Because Paul said so.

Joe Bloe

My response to that is to point out that he spent a few hours getting whipped and beaten and then a few hours nailed to a cross and then it was over. Most crucifixion victims were up there for days. John McCain spent over five years being tortured almost daily after being captured while defending Americans' freedoms from the Vietcong. McCain suffered far more for me, and for far far less benefit, than Jesus did.

To which they respond by saying that Jesus' suffering was spiritual, he was being separated from and forsaken by God.

So I repeat the question: "well, then why was the manner that Jesus died so important?"

And they say something along the lines of "You just don't get it, do you? I'll pray for you."